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How can I call down from my rage today?!

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Pomeranio9834 · 07/03/2018 19:01

After an absolutely infuriating day at work being belittled and possibly disciplined and being told I don't have the right to voice my opinion on a subject because I AM A WOMAN I have come home and ripped poor DP to shreds about how frustrating it is being a woman surrounded by balding middle aged men with the opinion that I am a lesser species I have got myself so worked up that I am shaking with rage.

How can I calm down enough to actually eat my leftover Chinese food.

But seriously, bollocks to fucking everything. And bollocks to all the women at work who giggle and take the blatant discrimination and sexism and fit into the little box cral2eated for them because it's the easy thing to do.

Bollocks bollocks bollocks and fuck off.

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jedenfalls · 08/03/2018 19:00

And also never the engineers actually ... it's just the "management". Is that a common theme I wonder?

Yes. In my experience engineers dont give much of a fuck what people look like, they just see a person who can either a) help them b)hinder them or c)rocks.

Alexkate2468 · 08/03/2018 12:38

That's beyond horrendous! I'm speechless. Absolute morons!

Branleuse · 07/03/2018 21:00

id consider leaving and claiming constructive dismissal

Badgerthebodger · 07/03/2018 20:59

Fucking hell OP I’m appalled! Your restraint is commendable, I ripped into my MD the other day for a thoughtless few comments on how pregnant women basically just become shit at their jobs. Actually, those two pregnant employees you just badmouthed? They’re the best performers in my department. As a recent returnee from mat leave I can testify that if you allow mums some flexibility they will work their fucking arses off. Thankfully his wife must be quite a feisty sort because he laughed, said I reminded him of her and apologised.

Want to come and work with me OP? Women outnumber the men in senior positions, it’s great Grin

swivelchair · 07/03/2018 20:20

which includes the number of times I've asked him not to get changed in front of me

I've worked with 2 managers who would cycle in and strip/change in the office while talking to us all - in both their cases it was pure obliviousness, and they were perfectly nice people so I just averted my eyes... it's different when they're arses though isn't it.

I'm one of 4 people in a startup. The (technically) second in command is a total bumwipe, who spent 20 minutes the other day trying to brow beat me into giving him administrator access to a system he has no business administrating (especially when we need him to do his actual job) - I had he kept banging on about how his degree is in engineering, how he managed teams of eight people (eight! What a God! I'm running a team of 8 in another job too... of course they all have teams of their own below them...), I had attempts to pull rank, I had "I don't know what you have against me, but when it comes out, it's ugly", I had passive aggressive, and downright rude comments when I was trying to establish why he needed this access, and what I could do to facilitate that, without opening all the security to him - I maintained professionalism, the closest I got was to say that I was disappointed that he felt it was necessary to talk to me this way.

Now, I know the CEO has my back, but, if this guy keeps trying to assert himself as my boss, I will just quit. and it's not me that will suffer.

Set the line, and if they've crossed it, you just have to start looking for another job, and stuff them, feel no regret, no obligation, just leave.

LonginesPrime · 07/03/2018 20:17

Another comment made today by a male senior manager "that I just be on my period and that's why I've taken it so personally"

Fucking hell, OP. I would leave and explain why.

Unfortunately, given the type of place you work, I don't hold out much hope that they will change any time soon. I don't know what the answer is for that workplace, but the answer for you is definitely to leave and go somewhere better where they know how to treat women with respect.

Pomeranio9834 · 07/03/2018 19:43

@Fatball

GETTING CHANGED IN FRONT OF YOU?!

I exercised great restraint today but if any of them tried that in front of me I actually think I'd lost it and throw a stapler remover at them or something

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Pomeranio9834 · 07/03/2018 19:42

74% of our staff base are between 51 and 65.

Horrific ageism but I must say I don't get it from the younger guys. And also never the engineers actually ... it's just the "management". Is that a common theme I wonder?

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FatBallsontheBirdFeeder · 07/03/2018 19:40

OP. - I feel your rage. I'm currently working in the most sexist environments I've ever worked in over my 30 year career - surely it's supposed to be better now we're in the 21st century.

I've had the same, and different, but just as bad.

I Told my boss (AGAIN) on Monday that I felt uncomfortable with his constant commenting on my appearance - and then when he whined that "he was only giving me a compliment" reiterated that my appearance has no bearing on my ability to do my job Angry

I'm keeping a record - which includes the number of times I've asked him not to get changed in front of me - I'm not sure if I'm ever going to do anything with it (maybe a blog?) but it makes it easier to control the red mist.

Itscurtainsforyou · 07/03/2018 19:37

I would love to know who you work for! I'm in a similar industry and our lot wouldn't dare to behave like that. Looks like you've got yourself a bunch of dinosaurs...

Pomeranio9834 · 07/03/2018 19:28

A 92% male dominated engineering company, private investor owned (investors are all of the same ilk).

I desperately need a new job but they're few and far between at the moment ubfortunatly.

I have kept all the emails, and noted the comments made but short of getting myself sacked by leaving the diversity, inclusion, discrination policies on all their desks with highlighted bits I'm not sure what else to do!!!!!

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Worldsworstcook · 07/03/2018 19:27

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bellasuewow · 07/03/2018 19:25

God op where do you work..... seriously. That sounds appalling. You are justified to be enraged.

Anatidae · 07/03/2018 19:23

Fucking hell. I wasn’t even there and I feel like my spleen might pop.

The snow thing... ffs. I live in Sweden, I drive over conditions that’d make them wet themselves four months a year.

Ask heard plenty of ‘why aren’t you wearing heels’ shit. To which I reply with my winningest smile, ‘haha. When I see the Male executives wearing heels for 18 hours a day I will do likewise. Men’s work attire looks so... comfortable.’

CuriousaboutSamphire · 07/03/2018 19:22

Holy shit! Apologies for having misunderstood.

New job... and if any of that shit was in an email... ACAS or union and nail the bastards!

rememberthetime · 07/03/2018 19:22

OH wow! That is all awful and very clear sexual discrimination. Please please start writing down every incident of this type and keep all emails that show this behaviour.

I am almost in disbelief at this.

I would love to suggest that you get your Union involved and take them to a tribunal, but I know it's not as easy as that. I just wish you could. There must be a process for making an official complaint however? or just a warning that any more sexist and discriminatory behaviour and you will consider legal action?

I am really sorry you have to put up with that.

Babdoc · 07/03/2018 19:20

I was going to suggest you complain to HR, but I just spotted that's where you already work! How about showing them the policies on equality in the workplace - you know, the ones they're responsible for implementing? Bunch of dinosaurs.

Pomeranio9834 · 07/03/2018 19:18

No the period thing was said downstairs in the canteen and heard by Sally coincidentally who told me because she's nice like that Grin

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Pomeranio9834 · 07/03/2018 19:17

Oh (so outing if any colleagues are on mumsnet but fuck it)

Getting told all the "ladies" could leave at 3 in the snow because we can't drive in the snow but the men can stay until 5 because they'll be okay... EXCUSE ME WHAT NOW.

HOW IS THIS STILL A THING IN 2018

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stiffstink · 07/03/2018 19:16

Did they mention the period thing in an email?!

TallulahWaitingInTheRain · 07/03/2018 19:16

OP, the fact that they are all still alive (... are they?) is an impressive tribute to your self-control

relaxitllbeok · 07/03/2018 19:16

OMFG. You need a new job. Sorry you're having to deal with this, in the meantime. Maybe consider joining a union, even if that's not common in your workplace? You might get, eg, employment law advice. Dunno.

Pomeranio9834 · 07/03/2018 19:15

And I know there are so so so many more important feminism issues out there but this just really pushed me over the sodding edge today.

After being told yesterday "why can't you dress more like Sally (not real name). She always looks lovely"

YES SHE DOES LOOK LOVELY IN HET PENCIL SKIRTS AND HEELS AND GOOD FOR HER SHE LOOKS FABULOUS but go just fuck off

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Pomeranio9834 · 07/03/2018 19:13

Yes that was a joke. Another comment made today by a male senior manager "that I just be on my period and that's why I've taken it so personally"

I didn't take it FUCKING PERSONALLY you were talking bollocks and I told you so. Politely and professionally. ARGH.

Basically, I sent an email with a list of the employee suggestions to be reviewed from the boxes. Man 1 replied "poor effort". Man 2 replied "some of us have bigger fish to fry" and man 3 replied saying "don't you have anything better to do?"

  1. No I don't have anything better to do because part of my job is to ensure that the suggestions are responded to so I'm actually just doing my job that I'm paid to do...

So I replied saying (professionally) that that was a disappointing attitude from senior managers to have about valid employee concerns, and does nothing to help the already terrible company culture and low morale etc

Man 1 told me to get back into my box

Man 2 told man 1 that "this is what happens when we let them into the work place (no, I'm not joking)

Man 3 said to my boss, Is she on her period that's she's so they

I wasn't even "ragey" in my email. But apparently I must have been on my period for making a valid point.

Then man 4 told me to clean up the board room after his meeting. I'm in fucking HR not board cleaning fuck off. And why have you walked past approx. 34 men to come to the other side of the office to tell me to clean it up as the only women up here?!?!?!

ARGH.

unfortunately nobody to complain to. No union. My manager is also a woman and has the same day in and day out but is one of the giggle stays in her box kind.

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weaselwords · 07/03/2018 19:11

Hold onto your rage and feed off it and never ever give in.

Some things are important enough to get angry about.