Curious as to what type of feminist you are?

Liberal feminist.

I'm a novice so I'd appreciate others explaining it better, but that's how I'm starting to understand it. (If that's right!)

You can change laws and tackle pay gaps but there's only so much that filters through to peoples day to day lives. I feel campaigns such as let toys be toys are a different brick helping to dismantle the patriarchy. So much is ingrained from early on, so much unconscious bias, it's about noticing, naming and calling out these issues no matter how tiny. (?)

No I think brick by brick means approaching it from far more angles that the lib fem approach

So more of a cultural approach to change even though the actual strategies used are lib fem ones. Makes sense.

No I think brick by brick means approaching it from far more angles that the lib fem approach. Societal attitudes, emphasising the way stereotypes are harmful and actively working to dismantle them while also working on equal pay etc. I think rad fem may also mean more recognition of women's biology/ maternity / bf rights etc?

Yes I can't get my head around the completely tear it down thing

I can’t get on board with a “tear it all down” approach. Brick by brick sounds quite lib femy to me. As seneca mentioned in her example. There’s a radical fem movement (I’m probably using the wrong word there) but they use lib fem means to achieve their aims.

To be a radical feminist you don’t have to tear down all patriarchal structures and rebuild them in one go - it’s more a brick by brick approach.

Yes I can't get my head around the completely tear it down thing - it's almost anarchy! But the brick by brick makes sense; from the top and from the bottom (ie how young children are brought up).

I’m just not quite sure what a rad fem approach looks like in practice.

I think if you look at the history of the battered women's movement, you can see quite a bit of radical feminism at work, but often using liberal feminism strategy and tactics. One example is pushing to change laws, and then pushing for their enforcement which has resulted, in the United States at least (I'm American), in fundamental changes in societal attitudes toward domestic violence.

That was supposed to say "there is no "equality for men too"".

Do people still think that feminism doesn't mean equality for men too? How does that mindset even work?!

If you have equality, there is no "equality for too". If we have equality, we have equality. Women are equal to men. There's no "ah, but are men equal to women?". The clue is in the word. Equal.

To be a radical feminist you don’t have to tear down all patriarchal structures and rebuild them in one go - it’s more a brick by brick approach

But what does it actually look like in practice. I can get my head round Lib fem approach’s - changing political and societal systems and conventions to promote equality. I’m just not quite sure what a rad fem approach looks like in practice.

Radical feminism, but it is not, or should not be an identity. It simply means I agree with the theories and work to be part of the radical feminist movement to change society.

To be a radical feminist you don’t have to tear down all patriarchal structures and rebuild them in one go - it’s more a brick by brick approach.

“Because feminism doesn't include males and their equal rights“

Well, if we’re aiming for equality for women then equality for men comes as a given! But what sort of equal rights for men do you mean?

He’s an ally and his work’s Diversity Champion.

Apart from for straight women and gay men apparently - we’re not oppressed enough.

I'm a radical feminist

I understand lib fem. but I can't ignore the rad fem approach as an ideal

You see I just can’t get my head round the rad fem approach. I can’t work out exactly how we are mean to tear down every sexist structure in society (doesn’t help that virtually every structure is sexist).

Just seems to me that Rad fem is mostly a thought experiment. There’s nothing wrong with that but I’m more of a practical person.

He probably identifies as Jesus Christ, BlazeAway

Privileged apparently. Since I’m white, straight and middle class.

All I said was that you have to be careful that intersectional feminism doesn’t end up with silos - you’re all female and sometimes might have to work together as ‘just’ feminists rather than black feminists or queer feminists.

But apparently it’s a purely intellectual problem for me, and I shouldn’t talk about it to people in the other categories as I have such a huge advantage compared to them that I’ll never understand how they feel. I was told that by a straight, white, middle class man...

Of course feminism includes men! It includes all genders too!

It doesn't exist in a vacuum!

Could you explain what you mean as, to be honest, you have totally confused me

And everybody in between.

Because feminism doesn't include males and their equal rights.

"I'm more for equality than being an out and out feminist,"

How do you see them differing?

I'm more for equality than being an out and out feminist, because everyone should be afforded the same privileges despite them being female, or gay, or coloured, not because they are female iyswim. I have been discriminated more for other reasons than being female.

This one by the way.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=NHS9IwNCggo

I understand lib fem. but I can't ignore the rad fem approach as an ideal.

I'm still learning.

I wasn't sure. Probably rad fem. I think I used to be lib fem without realising it but I agree that patriarchy and gender stereotypes are a big issue in society for everyone so I guess I'm now rad fem.

It's occurred to me that terf is a total minsnomer as without stereotypes it deletes the need for trans. I guess I'd be called a terf though.

I've just watched peachyogurts explanation on another thread and it's now really clear.