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The Faculty of Advocates' Response to the Scottish Government's Consultation on GRA Reform

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AssignedPuuurfectAtBirth · 07/03/2018 14:47

arb.advocates.org.uk/news-and-responses/responses/2018/mar/review-of-the-gender-recognition-act-2004

Very similar responses to mine!

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LassWiADelicateAir · 07/03/2018 21:53

ChampiontheWonderHamster Having now read the Law Society's very measured response I think that is a glib and unwarranted comment.

PinkyPieismyspiritanimal · 07/03/2018 21:53

Not so much - I expected something far more supportive of the proposed changes.

AssignedPuuurfectAtBirth · 07/03/2018 21:51

Oo-er. Does Bishop take Knight?

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ChampiontheWonderHamster · 07/03/2018 21:40

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LassWiADelicateAir · 07/03/2018 21:21

The Law Society of Scotland has published its response too. I haven't read it. I'm on a policy sub- committee but this consultation was not in its remit.

www.lawscot.org.uk/research-and-policy/influencing-the-law-and-policy/our-responses-to-consultations/equalities-law/

BrandNewHouse · 07/03/2018 21:16

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Hackedoffwoman · 07/03/2018 21:15

Great stuff pinkiepie

Theswaggyotter · 07/03/2018 21:12

Fab work pinky

PinkyPieismyspiritanimal · 07/03/2018 21:06

Gosh! Glad you all like! Happy to be PMd about any of this too.
Thanks for your really supportive comments. Fucking well love MN.

Badgerthebodger · 07/03/2018 20:43

Brava Pinky you absolute superstar StarGinFlowers

Carriemac · 07/03/2018 20:32

brilliant pinky

TheMonstrousRegiment · 07/03/2018 20:27

@PinkyPieismyspiritanimal More Flowers and Wine from me too. Thank you!

PinkyPieismyspiritanimal · 07/03/2018 20:26

It was considered purely policy and anything we could say would be a reiteration of what had already been framed. I'm ok with it.

OKMaybeIAmATERF · 07/03/2018 20:21

Very interesting response! I'm surprised the advocates didn't feel there were any legal aspects to the questions about recognising non-binary people, though... Any comment Pinky ?

Kneedeepinunicorns · 07/03/2018 19:46

Excellent, very hard to see what could (rationally) be taken issue with there. Just factual legal viewpoints. Great job. Flowers

bellasuewow · 07/03/2018 19:21

This is so encouraging and provides many of us with language that we need to voice our concerns. Due to my role I find it very useful to have it set out in this way. I am dreading, as are many of my colleagues, the legal implications of self ID. Thank you pinky.

PinkyPieismyspiritanimal · 07/03/2018 19:20

Measured and dispassionate are what I aim for which is why my handle is that of a bonkers pink anthropomorphic horse.

Elletorro · 07/03/2018 19:19

Thanks Pinky

It’s a pretty longwinded thread.

Short story is GG are saying boys who are transgender are welcome but girls who are transgender are not.

Lots of safeguarding issues as an aside but I reckon all that falls away if the discrimination is dealt with and GG goes back to sex segregation

PinkyPieismyspiritanimal · 07/03/2018 19:15

I'm enjoying being called Pinky Pie...! Grin

Will head on over to the Girl Guide camp, although I was a Scout... Don't hold it against me Wink

MrsOvarall · 07/03/2018 18:49

That is very measured and dispassionate. Exactly what's needed ATM. Good job Pinky and Pinky's colleagues!

RedToothBrush · 07/03/2018 18:39

Elletoro, have a think about the legal ruling upthread.

If a child is 'self id' and the girl guides go along with it in the absence of supporting medical reasons, are the guides opening themselves up to being negligent of safeguarding issues?

I certainly think its an interesting angle to put out there and consider as it means that guides can not merely accept self id as it stands especially under the current law as they have safeguarding obligations to ensure that the child is not being placed under undue pressure to be trans.

Elletorro · 07/03/2018 18:24

Pinky would you mind terribly taking a look at the girl guide thread?

Are the GG discriminating against boys by allowing girls and self id boys in but not biological boys?

Also discrimination against transgender girls by saying they have to leave?

I’d really appreciate your opinion

Triliteration · 07/03/2018 18:14

There are huge issues here that have not been properly considered in terms of the law.

Thank you so much Pinky. The Scottish legal system has a lot going for it. Hopefully your input will make them think again!

Lemonjello · 07/03/2018 18:09

Presumably lots of other organisations will have been invited to submit to the consultation and will publish their answers too.

Would be good to look out for these and collate them together to see how the land is lying.

athingthateveryoneneeds · 07/03/2018 17:10

Absolutely wonderful. Thank you!!!

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