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Women and crime statistics - increase in sex crimes?

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shedalight · 06/03/2018 14:19

Daily mail article:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5465541/Record-number-women-convicted-sex-crimes-Britain.html

Some 142 women were guilty of sex offences in 2016 – almost double the 74 convicted two years earlier and more than triple the number at the start of the decade

There's a disgraceful rise in the number of adults working in schools convicted of abuse. I wonder whether there are any other reasons for this increase. Might those familiar with crime statistics have an idea?

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TallulahWaitingInTheRain · 06/03/2018 16:34

I've posted the UK definition on the first page of this thread

Popchyk · 06/03/2018 16:33

That we know about

"The transcrime figures don't account for 6 rape convictions of bepenised women".

Ah. So that takes us to 17% being biologically male.

That we know about.

loveyouradvice · 06/03/2018 16:32

Thanks... off to post...

ALittleBitOfButter · 06/03/2018 16:31

That's the US definition.

loveyouradvice · 06/03/2018 16:29

Okay - I posted in AIBU ... HELP!! This is response I got from one poster ... Im keen to respond... unless they are right?

You don't have to be a man to Rape or commit a sex crime, a quick google search gives the definition: unlawful sexual intercourse or any other sexual penetration of the vagina, anus, or mouth of another person, with or without force, by a sex organ, other body part, or foreign object, without the consent of the victim.(www.dictionary.com/browse/rape)

People of any gender/sex/orientation can commit a sex crime (or any crime for that matter) it does not require a penis.

TallulahWaitingInTheRain · 06/03/2018 16:21

That we know about

The transcrime figures don't account for 6 rape convictions of bepenised women.

OneFlewOverTheDodosNest · 06/03/2018 16:16

The possibilities I can come up with here:
a) More women are committing sex crimes
b) More women are being convicted of the same definition of sex crimes
c) The definition of sex crimes has widened to include more convictions of women as sex crimes rather than other crimes
d) The definition of woman has been changed to include male individuals falsely inflating the

Conviction rates for sex crimes are still woefully low and, to my knowledge, there has been no change in the definition of sex crimes so b) and c) are out. So we're left with the choice of a) or d) or a combination of the two. Seeing as we've SEEN reports of TIMs being convicted and prisoned and reported as women we know that d) at least counts for SOME of the volumes but how much?

Popchyk · 06/03/2018 16:13

With those numbers BlindYeo it seems that just over 12% of the "142 women sex offenders" will be biologically male.

That we know about.

loveyouradvice · 06/03/2018 16:06

I mean in the comments on Mail Online....

loveyouradvice · 06/03/2018 16:05

Go on.... post in the comments... people do read them and we need to start transpeaking people - even just the rapes only being by penis is enough to shock!

BlindYeo · 06/03/2018 16:02

transcrimeuk.com/2016-convictions/

Transcrime has 18 sex offence convictions listed for 2016

Rufustherenegadereindeer1 · 06/03/2018 15:53

Awesome comments

Women are just as bad as men

And

Infact the numbers of women who abuse are far higher but men are far far less likely to report them through embarassment and other reasons.

Are two personal 'highlights' Sad

TallulahWaitingInTheRain · 06/03/2018 15:53

Oops, I mean 0.7

Judashascomeintosomemoney · 06/03/2018 15:50

Yes, it’s so insidious isn’t it? I read that article at first perfectly prepared to believe that it was possible the crime might have increased in part due to a changing of attitudes to older women having sex with teenage boys (quite rightly). But then I got to the ‘Rape’ stat and the penny dropped. How many readers will unquestioningly accept that as true? Gradually, otherwise perfectly reasonable people, will begin to think women can and do rape. Then, and I’m thinking of a particular poster on MN, there will be more and more people coming on threads here amongst other places, saying ‘Ah, but women do it too’ ‘BWDIT’, and they’ll really believe it. And it will become de facto. Gradually, slowly.

TallulahWaitingInTheRain · 06/03/2018 15:50

Given that 10,911 offences were committed by men, the male perpetrators of fewer than 0.07% of offences would need to identify as women in order to double the rate of offences committed by 'women'

TheVastMajority · 06/03/2018 15:47

there is some information here - although it also includes transvestites.

LadyMcLadyCrisps · 06/03/2018 15:36

In saw this article this morning and a chill ran down my spine, I immediately thought of what some of you here (wiser than myself) have warned us about, the possibility of TIMs being categorised as women who have committed sex crimes. Whilst obviously there are Bio women on this list, these stats need breaking down one by one to get to the truth. My sincere belief is that the rise is no coincidence, I will be very interested to see the results of a full investigation of these figures!

BartholinsSister · 06/03/2018 15:13

I guess a woman could push a man's penis into someone's vagina, anus, or mouth.

TallulahWaitingInTheRain · 06/03/2018 15:08

'Transwomen are women' ladypenis and all, I suppose

shedalight · 06/03/2018 15:01

I wonder why the Ministry of Justice haven't commented on the surprising number of 'women' being convicted of rape?
And are these 142 different women or are some of these offences from the same offender?

Interesting that the stats are just accepted with little or no questioning of them?

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BarrackerBarmer · 06/03/2018 14:42

£100 says that male 'women' comprise a shockingly high proportion of those 142 women.

And certainly they will be represented many times higher than their statistical proportion within the category 'women'

BarrackerBarmer · 06/03/2018 14:39

No, I think rape can also refer to having sex with someone who is underage - regardless of sex., In other words, a female teacher having sex with underage boy or girl pupil. Because being underage means that there is no consent.

Categorically NO.

In UK law rape specifically is with a penis.

It is different in other countries, but explicitly defined in the UK as with a penis.

LangCleg · 06/03/2018 14:38

Six were convicted of rape, 37 of sexual activity with or involving a child, one of sexual grooming, 35 for internet child pornography offences and four for exposure and voyeurism.

We can pretty much guarantee the 4 exposure/voyeurism ones were TIMs, too.

LifelongVaginaOwner · 06/03/2018 14:38

You have to have a penis to be convicted of rape

DontBuyANewMumCashmere · 06/03/2018 14:37

Rape has to be committed by a penis owner man

The under age school thing could be inciting a person under the age of consent to commit a sexual act? Maybe?

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