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terfsRus · 05/03/2018 23:56

Silver lining: at least Labour are showing their true colors BEFORE they get a chance to be in power.

The whole trans ideology really is like religious dogma.
Labour seem to be making a stand for it with a force that's entirely lacking on Brexit. Even if the Tories elect JRM or Boris as leader - they will win, at this rate.

miri1985 · 05/03/2018 23:52

Is anyone a constituent of Andrew Bridgen in North West Leicestershire (or in contact with a sympathetic MP as far as I'm aware the EHRC don't start investigations based on tip offs from normies)?

Andrew Bridgen wrote to the Equality and Human Rights Commission to ask whether on not labours criteria for entry to their young labour equalities conference amounted to discrimination and got them to investigate and send a letter asking them to justify it. The contents of their reply is unknown as of yet but I can't wait to see them defend it and would love if the EHRC looked into what they're doing with AWS
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5391313/Labour-rebuked-equalities-commission-AGAIN.html

UpstartCrow · 05/03/2018 23:51

Self ID is a Conservative policy. Its supported by all parties.

I won't vote Conservative. I support the NHS and social housing, and the conservatives have wrecked the UK by introducing austerity, Brexit and self ID.
Women bear the brunt of austerity. The number of children being taken into care has gone through the roof.
The conservatives introduced Clause 28, which was a lot worse in its original wording; they wanted to make being gay illegal. Anyone who thinks they support women or gay people is deluded.

PositivelyPERF · 05/03/2018 23:50

ShotsFired that’s a good point. I’m in NI and it’s quite well known, that if you need help you go to the ‘other’ political party, is: nationalists get help from the DUP as they want to seem inclusive to ‘the other side’. The same works the other way around.

SeniorRita · 05/03/2018 23:50

Does anyone have a link to the crowd funder?

mimivanne · 05/03/2018 23:48

I have just donated to Jennifers GoFundMe again,frustration at boiling point ,Shots, I might just do that,having voted LP for 54 years.

flintyminty · 05/03/2018 23:48

TERFous
There is no party for us at present. I basically see two viable options for feminists:

OPTION A:
Organise a mass ballot-spoiling exercise. It would have to be consistent in how exactly ballots are spoiled in order to get attention. If done properly, it could have one hell of an effect.

OPTION B:
Stand for election or organise to field other, feminist-friendly candidates on every.single.level. Contest every seat.

Or how about:

OPTION C:
Stand Gender critical candidates (no reason why they couldn't be male) in a few select marginal seats. Stand on a single issue eg #sexnotgender, in defence of Equalities Act single sex exemptions. Non party political.
Choose closely contested seats preferably with pro-self ID candidates, if 3 way marginal even better. Possible constituencies - Derby North, Chris Williamson, Canterbury (snatched from Tories last time), Mansfield (snatched from Labour last time), Stella Creasy's constituency?
This could focus the media on the self-id issue especially as next election could hang on a knife edge again, pro-self ID candidates would have no choice but to defend their views to constituents and put themselves under the spotlight. It would also give at least some GC voters a place to put their protest vote and which could swing the result one way or the other.

Could still organise mass ballot spoiling in other constituencies.

ShotsFired · 05/03/2018 23:43

All of you who are now voteless, I wonder what sort of reaction you might get by writing to the local Conservative/other local parties as relevant candidate, with an open CC of the Labour person - explaining exactly why Labour and JC have lost your confidence and loyal of x years vote and it is now going begging to a Party willing to come out against self-id.

Pit them directly against each other for your vote, alert Cons that this is a vote winner/bragging rights, alert Labour they have active defectors, alert any smaller parties they could have a game changing policy...

2rebecca · 05/03/2018 23:43

Depressing. I don't want to vote Tory but do want to oppose all the self id stuff. Ruth Davidson hasn't got back to my email asking for her take on it all. Why do all the politicians want to support trans women or men identifying as female over real women?

VaguelyAware · 05/03/2018 23:27

Urgh. What kind of man would do that?

flapsDentata · 05/03/2018 23:12

A man that does this to his partner hates women.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/03/22/revealed-jeremy-corbyn-showed-off-naked-diane-abbott-to-impress/amp/

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TheSunnySide · 05/03/2018 23:09

Hi there. I have been following all your threads but not contributed. Am in a few gender critical secret groups and have been campaigning against self ID for several months. I used to be DuelingFanjo on here but you may not remember me as I haven’t posted under that name for a while.

I am leaving labour and have donated (again) to the just giving page set up to legally fight the Labour Party over self ID.

I had turned off all my notifications from my groups yesterday as I was so weary of it all but I have decided I have to fight. Fighting from within not an option. Just posting to her myself back in the mumsnet loop. Thank you all for being sane.

terfsRus · 05/03/2018 23:03

Finding solace in Photoshop

Labour has failed women.
nauticant · 05/03/2018 23:02

Right then, What's Left is going to be the next book I borrow or buy. Thanks for the recommendation flaps and Red.

RedToothBrush · 05/03/2018 22:59

I also highly recommend Nick Cohen's What's Left. Its not a pleasant read though.

TooManyMiles · 05/03/2018 22:55

You explained that better than I could, thanks, nauticant.

XXHelenaXX · 05/03/2018 22:53

corby

Labour has failed women.
LangCleg · 05/03/2018 22:52

I've also asked for confirmation that they've deleted all my data.

flapsDentata · 05/03/2018 22:51

Nauticant buy his book What’s left. It’s what made me wake up to labour and how it is going to desperately wrong. At the expense of the many, not the few.

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nauticant · 05/03/2018 22:47

This this If this

I listened to that Radio 4 programme (www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b09tcvp2) TooManyMiles and thought it provided a compelling insight into how the left is currently going wrong. For some reason a large part of the left has opened itself up to be captured by any intolerant/regressive group that paints itself in the right colours.

Writersblock2 · 05/03/2018 22:43

This is horrendous. But it gives me a kick up the backside to keep fighting. Posted my feelings loud and clear on social media tonight. Not sure how many will take notice but I don’t care. Need to do things.

nauticant · 05/03/2018 22:42

This this turns out to be true that it's grim news. However, in case anyone is looking for some light relief:

twitter.com/smithy6219/status/970785965533990912

SonicVersusGynaephobia · 05/03/2018 22:39

I momentarily felt searing panic when I saw this, that the battle was lost and we should all give up and go home.

But this is just the next step. Labour are making a public declaration on what they think women in politics should be. More women will then know about self-ID, and start to question it.

This will only bring more women into the fold. And we keep going, until the next big event.

Soon, we'll get to our critical mass. This will help us.

terfsRus · 05/03/2018 22:38

How kind of Labour not to take such a massive dump on women on March 8th - wonder how they will celebrate the ladypenis on International Women's Day??
I cannot believe I joined the party to vote for Corbyn twice, I feel like a right muppet.
I will cancel membership and DD and as LangCleg suggests will make a song and zumba about it.

Electraschild · 05/03/2018 22:30

Corbyn has made a practice of saying one thing and doing another. I’m afraid I’m about to leave the party for the second time in my life. I can’t stand the misogyny and the sucking up to a few trans activists who post unpleasant tweets about women but are not suspended. I’m out.