If you think mn is strongly transphobic....

Statistically your vulnerable young daughter is at more risk from the trusted adults adults around her than from some random trans person.

Trans man or trans woman ?

Because transmen are biological females. Trans women are biological males who retain the same patterns of male violence as other males.

I don't really care about anything on the Internet that much to report for deletion. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and to discuss it.

This post was specifically questioning transphobia on MN, which is what piqued my interest.

I understand their are potential safeguarding issues that people are concerned about and that's what I have learned from reading the threads before I stopped, it's nothing something that would have ever crossed my mind personally. I don't think that transgender is the downfall of the female race though.

And no, I don't personally know the law.

Can some one tell me why it is OK for my teenage sons to be the victim of a predatory man in a changing room but not my teenage daughters?

Or why it's OK for a vulnerable male 18 year to be in prison with violent offenders but not a vulnerable female?

Sadly, routine abuse of vulnerable people is endemic in our society, for example straight men exploiting their power (Harvey Weinstein, Oxfam scandal, bosses in large corporations where victims are paid off to stay silent), paedophiles working with young people (catholic church, sports coaches, any number of schools youth clubs and scout groups in the 70s).

Statistically your vulnerable young daughter is at more risk from the trusted adults adults around her than from some random trans person.

I just don't get the level of obsession and hatred.

I'm not saying there's a wrong or right here btw just that it seems a lot more 'concentrated' on MN

I think that is genuinely because any meaningful debate isn't being allowed anywhere else. It's inevitable that MN has become a safe space for women (and indeed transwomen) want to discuss this, and just even to ask questions.

I've said it before but it bears repetition, it is absolutely shocking that women are being forced to meet in secret in the 21st century. What is so scary about women talking?

If you don't believe that 'trans women are women' is that transphobic?

Of course. These transwomen are women and just as valid as any woman and should have complete sccess to any female domain.

And I'm also shocked at my post littered with spelling mistakes.. it's been a long day.

Maybe it is like someone else says and there's a select few who overtake every single thread?

I'm not saying there's a wrong or right here btw just that it seems a lot more 'concentrated' on MN

So shocked that you reported them all and they were deleted?
Trans threads have the least deletions on them out of most of the topics!

Cos you can’t actually argue with biology. No matter what fucking colour your panties are.

All I ever think now is that I hope the majority of MN don't work in government departments, where they're trying to be inclusive of all.

You can't be 'inclusive of all' at all times no matter how worthy that may be. The Equality Act already acknowledges that. I'd hope anyone working in a government department had some knowledge of the law

I'm honestly shocked about how transphobia it is tbh.. I've stopped reading the threads.

All I ever think now is that I hope the majority of MN don't work in government departments, where they're trying to be inclusive of all.

Mumsnetters are well-informed rather than 'transphobic' (however the fuckety fuck that's being defined). It's the knowledge that irritates the TRAs as they'd rather changes just got nodded through with no look at impacts.

I couldn't give a stuff if A N Other decides that it's transphobic of me to advocate for the rights of women.

Fin.

I'm happy to be considered 'transphobic'.....at least those of us who see are trying to stop men getting easier access to female spaces, trying to have a world where my daughter can get changed without a man in the room or play rugby against other women and not the incredible fucking hulk!! My mum has dementia, she may in the future need somone to help her with her intimate care, she will want a woman to do this not an obvious male. And let's not even talk about the vile tra's who write atrocious things about women and their smelly vagina's, saggy boobs and threats of rape and violence. What do you 'trans fans' have to say about that??

If you don't believe that 'trans women are women' is that transphobic?

@Rumpledfaceskin

You do realise that the poster Truscum is a transsexual person, don't you?

And not the only one on here. And also not the only one on here who is also speaking out against self id.

The majority of MN posters are not transphobic, the problem is a small minority of posters that are allowed to take over every discussion on the subject and shout others down. The forum gets a bad name because of these people and the team's reluctance to deal with them.

I have very very occasionally (perhaps half a dozen times?) reported a post to MNHQ because I think it is offensive to trans people and does MN no favours at all. I can't link to these because they have been deleted.

Whether other people would consider them transphobic is debatable - offensive is not the same as phobic. They mostly fall into the second category of Button's list upthread

I don’t mind being called transphobic so long as the person calling me that is happy to be called realityphobic or sciencephobic.

Like HairyBalls I’m happy to live and let live, and think that people should be free to live without fear or discrimination just for presenting in a different way, but I will never accept that a man can be a woman or vice versa.

I personally feel that the GRA is a poor piece of legislation that was badly thought out (birth certificates record sex not gender and should not be amended) however it does at least provide some form of gatekeeping.

Being gender non conforming is great. The vast majority of people I know don’t fit gender stereotypes. They just are themselves with different likes and dislikes. They are however men or women and that can’t change.

Hysteria

Men Will Rape You Anyway

Women Do It Too

You Agree With A Right Wing Person So You're Bad

You're Just Like Nazis / Apartheid (refreshing change from Jim Crow though)

Nobody Would Dream Of Pretending To Be Trans

It Never Happens

Butch Women Will Be Thrown Out Of Toilets

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz ...

Somebody please do Bogus Suicide Stats so I can get bingo.

I think as well, ANY dogma that unquestioningly sterilises children, needs to be blocked. If that makes me a transphobe, then bring it on.

Not to mention violent criminal Tara Hudson whose PR campaign and misleading model type pictures led to much sympathy from the public who assumed she'd had a sex change and was transferred to a women's prison.

The reality is a tall, masculine individual who retains their '7 inch surprise.' Should a woman be forced to share their intimate space with this person?

I don't care if some people are trans. I don't care if they are 'fake' trans or 'real'. I don't mind if some are nice people and some are awful.

I mind that we are making laws saying something false is true. A transwoman is not a woman, even with surgery. We should not have anti-fact, anti-science laws in the UK.

All this talk of toilets diverts us into subjective arguments about whether individuals are good or bad away from the main point that men are not women. They just aren't and everyone knows it.

You have quite clearly never met the men on the interwebs.

Actual transphobia, the dangeorus kind doesn't warrant comment. The truly frightening stuff is middle aged women discussing their rights on the internet in between making dinner.

If "Allies" were happy to jump on the sane bandwagon and say that only genuine dysphoric individuals were "trans". These threads would be over mostly.

Please check this link. I know it is biased (obviously) but it's just links to crimes commited by men who have called themselves trans. There are a lot, and we need to talk about why.

I know most transexuals are as horrified by this trans activisit nonsense as the rest of us. They can't speak up because they want to keep their heads down, fair enough. But I'm not going to walk in to this with my eyes closed.

transcrimeuk.com/

"Literally one of the most transphobic places on the internet. It's renowned for it, sadly"
You have quite clearly never met the men on the interwebs.

I do think it takes time to confront something you’ve previously believed and found it not to be true.
It took me a while.