What on earth is going to happen to women?

Well, in a few years womens sport will be dead

It's already starting, isn't it? The NZ cyclist who within the space a 3 weeks went from doing the man's race to the women's race (and won), The Aussie rugby player

It will change sport in the same way that former soviet republics changed sport through steroids/drugs/hormones...

If I ever did see a transgender person in the toilets, I'd just go in and close the door where I can't be seen, do a wee and then come out. If a perverts wants to pretend to be a woman so he can see me wash my hands, then let him.

last time NameChanger22

It's already been discussed in Parliament that men should be allowed in women's toilets, hospital wards, prisons etc etc.

do you need to see something yourself in order to realise that it happens?! Do you think Parliament talked about it because they were bored and looking for the most way-out thing they could find to discuss?!

NameChanger22 I’m going to assume you’re very very sheltered from the real risk of self ID and not just a sea lion, so I’ll type slowly 😉 A TIM is a man who claims to be a woman, you might know them better as transgender women, but the more realistic name would be a Trans Identifying Male.

Now can you answer the question?

Namechanger i don't think many people on this thread are finding your views convincing.

I have never ever seen a transgender person in the women's toilets or changing rooms? Is it happening in another part of the country?

Namechanger please at least take this from this thread:

Men haven't had to dress up to be sex pests in the past, I don't think many are going to start now

Not a single one of them will have to ‘dress up’. There will be no dressing up. They can pop anywhere they like, any time they like, with no extra effort at all.

It will never be a hate crime to ask a man to leave the ladies toilets. It's never happened. It's not going to happen

Yes it will.

Because after these reforms, if that man says (note: just says no other proof required) that he is a woman then that will mean he has as much right as you do to that space.

Finito. No arguments. You couldn’t just say ‘but it’s obviously just a man trying his luck’. Nope, that would be you being a bigot.

He will be as genuine a woman as you, merely on his say so.

No one will be able to remove him. Not you, not other women, not the security guard, not the establishment, not the police.

No one.

I've been in toilets where men were in there a few times (usually arguing with a woman) and the women did not like it but no-one asked them to leave.

What we did was hung around to check he didn't hurt her.

‘She is only saying that happened because she’s a bigot that’s doesn’t want my penis in here!’

Yes, Truscum. I think if women ‘arm’ themselves with jacket cams, to be activated in times of risk, we won’t be long showing the difference between the old school transsexuals and the TRAs.

I don't know why you're insulting me. I just don't see it as a problem yet. It isn't one yet.

This is why there isn't more outrage, people think they are well informed, and trust those in authority to do the right thing.

Ask a "transwoman" to leave the women's toilets, you mean.

Gender reassignment is a protected characteristic, and transgender identity is covered by hate crime laws.

Telling a TIM or a man who claims to be a TIM to leave would fulfils the criteria for harassment due to gender reassignement / gender identity. You are stopping a person going about their business and using facilities, due to your perception of their gender.

In fact though TIMs are usually bigger than us, and they aren't going to leave, so I'm not sure where asking them to leave would even get us, except in a whole load of bother one way or another.

I'm not ignorant. This is all news to me. I don't spend that much time on Mumsnet. I glanced at one thread about changing rooms a while ago, read a few lines and decided it sounded like paranoia and hysteria. It seems like a few posters have let the whole idea run away with them and are now getting very worried about something that hasn't happened yet and probably won't happen.

But you're absolutely right, abusing the self-ID system to walk in to women only spaces would be too much effort for them. I'm astonished I even considered it. How could you think such a thing about men. They never abuse women. #MeToo

I have seen much better sea lions than you on these threads just saying Indeed

OP please come back and tell us if we've missed a massive speech or if you're talking about the October one.....

NameChanger22 - how much do you know about this debate and do you have any comments on my post about the first Parliamentary debate?

I still don't know what a TIM is.

Okay - Im frightened....

Surely Theresa May has NOT been spouting this in last 3 months... I thought Conservatives had gone rather quiet on it....and we have time to muster more support when consultation starts - this month isn't it??? or later?

I - bizarre as it seems - am resting my hopes on Conservatives and Daily Mail to realise/publicise that GRA is NOT a good idea....

What am I missing?

Xpost. Trans Identifying Male. Now that you know what TIM is, would you mind awfully answering my question. If women don’t want men (TIMs) in female spaces, but TIMs demand entrance, whose feelings should be prioritised?

Ooops I forgot NAMALT.

NameChanger seems more familiar with every determinedly willfully ignorant post they make.

But the perverted and abusive men out there don't need to go to such lengths as pretending to be a woman if they want to be perverted or abusive. They just do what they've always done - date or marry a woman.

You're right. I'm convinced. Men have trained as priests, doctors, nurses, teachers, social workers, health care assistants, sports coaches, support workers etc in order to gain access to vulnerable people. They prowl around streets on foot or in their car looking for a target to expose their penis too. They've spent months grooming teenage girls online. But you're absolutely right, abusing the self-ID system to walk in to women only spaces would be too much effort for them. I'm astonished I even considered it.

It will never be a hate crime to ask a man to leave the ladies toilets. It's never happened. It's not going to happen. I have no idea why you think it would.

Namechanger22 I have seen much better sea lions than you on these threads just saying😁