What on earth is going to happen to women?

I know bellasuewow, I just wanted to prove it beyond a doubt. There are so many TRAs on here, they become quite obvious, don’t they. 🤣p

NameChanger22 "I know men are bastards"

I really can't reconcile this with the fact that you aren't taking any of these concerns seriously. Yes, they are. This is exactly why giving them legal access to women's spaces is a huge problem.

I've mentioned Parliament several times, but you've not answered so I have to conclude you're just here to say "mine is the only experience that counts".

I want it to be discussed, it's interesting. I just don't see it as a problem yet. What is a sea lion?

That’s ok, you don’t actually have to be on twitter to google search something on it I believe? (Pretty sure I lurked for a while before joining it)

If all this goes through it’s probably going to be much safer in the men’s toilets. All the perverts/opotunists/AGP’s/rapists will be in the women’s.

NameChanger22

What do you suggest women athletes do, just quit and go home? Or women in psychiatric units? Women are making a fuss because its already happened.

metro.co.uk/2018/01/14/woman-who-feared-men-accused-of-transphobia-after-objecting-to-hospital-room-with-trans-woman-7227597/

www.lmfgtfy.com/

NameChanger22 "Some people have a life outside of the internet"

yes - and a life which is massively at risk because of this.

do you live in Lark Rise or something?!

I know men are bastards, I'm not that naive. This thing that hasn't happened yet is all new to me.

mail article one man talks about bonding at uni with friends over humiliating women this sort of man / group will find the new laws useful

Don’t let namechanger derail a very good and relevant thread please. The fact that they are posting so much on the thread shows how relevant it is and how much they don’t want this to be discussed.
Arf arf

I think the men in toilets thing is less of a problem for many women than the people with penises in women's prisons and people with XY chromosomes in women's sports and men being allowed to enter women's refuges by saying they are women.
My toilets at work are all unisex and I think making it about toilets trivialises the issues although my gym has communal changig areas and no cubicles and I wouldn't feel comfortable if people started flashing penises around.
The sexual stereotyping the transexual movement feeds on also disturbs me. Wtf does it mean to be "really a woman?" My job can be done by either sex, my hobbies are similar to my husband. The main differences are biological. I don't believe I have a special girlie brain and I'm rubbish at multitasking but good at reading maps.
The transexual stuff relies on sexist nonsense.

www.cbc.ca/beta/news/politics/transgender-inmates-csc-policy-1.4512510 - Canada are now imprisoning people according to their stipulated gender, rather than anatomy. How long before this becomes a significant issue for women in prison? If a male is moved into the female sector due to their human rights, where does the female go when their human rights get violated?

I'm not on Twitter. I don't use social media much at all. I don't know what AGP's is.

I'm genuinely new to this. Some people have a life outside of the internet.

There are lots of men who will do this for a variety of reasons.

There are loads of weirdos about and there are loads of men who enjoy upsetting women.

I don't know what a sea lion is either are you a politician, because you’ve done everything in your power to refuse to answer the question, so I’ll take from that, you think men’s wants should over ride a woman’s needs for a female space.

"When there are loads of normal blokes in women's toilets all saying "but I'm a woman and I need access to your cubicle" then I'll start to worry, I'll also eat my hat"

You can't imagine a load of pissed up blokes barging into the ladies in a pub / club for a laugh? And refusing to move on the basis that they're "trans"?

I think it's only a tiny percentage of men that want to be pretend to be a woman. There are much, much bigger things to worry about than this.

That's the thing, they don't have to pretend to be a woman. They don't have to dress as one, act like one, have any surgery or change their name.

NameChanger "I need to believe something is really a problem before I start worrying about it."

ever been harassed at work? Would you be okay with that guy waiting for you at the sinks? Especially in a large office where there might be a long corridor separating you from other workers...or you are working late and there's hardly anyone around?

You know that men can and do harass women without stepping over the line of illegality, don't you?

So you're 12 and you go in the loo and he stares at you. You go in and shut the door and sit down and he knocks and starts talking to you. you come out and wash your hands and he follows you to the basin and stands close behind.

You run away and have learnt to be really fucking wary when you're in the bog.

Men do this sort of stuff all the time, at the moment though they aren't allowed into the ladies (by social convention), that is set to change.

I don't know what a sea lion is either??

Namechanger I understand. To the rational mind of course all of this sounds crazy. It is crazy.

But this is a real threat to women. I have been abused and harassed (death threats only, rape threats are apparently reserved for women) online and in real life by spotty boys who say that I am transphobic.

To put that into context - I am a transsexual, a TIM.

I am abused and shouted at for saying ‘hang on - this isn’t right, people with a penis shouldn’t be in a woman’s rape centre etc.’

And any woman that dares voice a concern about this removal of protections is subjected to much worse.

By men who have no interion of surgery or ‘transitioning’, who will keep those genitals and are already calling lesbians transphobic for not sleeping with their ‘lady penis’. By men that derive sexual pleasure from violating women’s spaces.

If you are genuinely new to this I would suggest two things for you to look up.

AGP’s and search Twitter for the ‘transgirl’ hashtag.

That will show you who it is exactly who is lobbying for these removal of protections for women and children.

here's a factsheet that might help people who are unaware

sages.org.uk/publications/sages-factsheet.html

if you cba with the preamble, head for the section "Impact on women and girls"

here's an 18 year old boy/man who was allowed to use the girls' toilets at a Catholic school

www.kentonline.co.uk/maidstone/news/schools-apology-to-transgender-pupil-104081/

Riverside - I need to believe something is really a problem before I start worrying about it.

When there are loads of normal blokes in women's toilets all saying "but I'm a woman and I need access to your cubicle" then I'll start to worry, I'll also eat my hat. Not going to happen.

good for you NameChanger22, but I’m still waiting.

I have heard about people who think that theirs is the universal experience and unless it has happened to them it has not happened to anyone. I had never had the misfortune to try to talk with one before now.