What on earth is going to happen to women?

I think the wider women population, LGB and old skool T (OST) communities need to come together to fight this.

Together people wouldn't be able to point the finger at straight women and say "you're just homophobic", the tiny OST contingent would have a louder voice, as would the relatively small LGB communities who don't seem to have a particularly loud mainstream voice.

At the moment, we are being shut down, even on here, with cries of "bigot", "homophobe', "transphobe" by people who are either ignorant or deliberately obtuse - the nodebate has meant that time is wasted on repeating and explaining endlessly rather than pulling together.

There was a thread on Pink News linked to a couple of weeks ago about transmen on Grindr. The men talking about it were saying the exact same things as us (eg don't want vaginas in male spaces; TM are not M etc) and receiving the exact same nonsense arguments in return.

There ae a lot of us saying this. We need to be saying it together.

I think it's only a tiny percentage of men that want to be pretend to be a woman. Yes, which is why the power they are grabbing is frightening. So out of proportion.

There are much, much bigger things to worry about than this. Yes... I suppose nuclear war, global deforestation, etc are bigger for the whole world. But that doesn't mean that we should ignore the changes these loud and aggressive men are pushing through!

Sorry, I'm just trying to understand what the problem is? I'm still mystified.

When the Barbican turned the womens toilet into a unisex toilet, there were massive queues as men wanted to use it. Those men didn't think twice about the women waiting to use the toilet who were inconvenienced. I really doubt any of them thought they were doing any harm.

Its going to be like that, a lot.

I think society is moving towards all space being unisex.

I think ‘trans’ is a trojen horse.

I'm guessing the toilet would have a door on it, no?

Ok, if that's your belief, go forth and be happy.

Wanderingwomb - I don't know anyone that goes to nightclubs anymore either. The younger generations just get together on social media now, there's no point hanging around in town anymore.

What happens if you require the unisex loo whilst returning the unsuitable items?

I think it's only a tiny percentage of men that want to be pretend to be a woman. There are much, much bigger things to worry about than this.

But men were always in bars and shops. Do you mean changing rooms? Lots of people buy stuff, try it on at home and take it back if it doesn't fit anyway. Most changing rooms have cubicles with doors. I don't see Primark losing money any time soon, the queues are massive. And I've never seen a man dressed as a woman in there ever.

I think shops and nightclubs are on the way out anyway due to Amazon etc, and councils redeveloping absolutely everything as flats. I also think this will destroy the left and mark a swing to the right. Agree with the post about the straight white men being OK whatever.

thebewilderness, I'm sorry if I'm being stupid but I don't understand either of your posts.

TERFclick "Single men will struggle to get anyone to come to the house and clean, care for their family members living elsewhere, they will struggle to find partners"

no, people will always have bills to pay, they will get cleaners and carers. The struggle to find W.I.F.E will be easier under this regime surely, not harder? Because all the TIM will be working hard to push women out of the workplace and back to being a uterus in high heels?

Because as the word gets out that any man can get in to the women’s toilets, changing rooms, gyms etc. I believe the people who like to say NAMALT are going to rather quickly find out how depressingly many of them are ‘like that’.

They’ll start hearing about their friends daughter who couldn’t complain about the man wanking on the toilet next to her at the shopping centre or the girls who were raped by a group of six foot bearded ‘women’ in the swimming poll changing rooms.

That will slowly become a frequent reality for many.

Then women will generally stop going out to these places, they’ll stop suggesting their families go out for trips etc. where they’re ont be able to use the toilets.

Of course, women who have already suffered and have ptsd, or the women from certain faiths, will already have been forced out of using public services by that point.

Namechanger men are doing a pretty good job of colonising political posts intended for women... for a start!

Anything woman related they are there, already pushing their way into leadership roles, making policy and guidelines to suit men that say they are women.

Also, sadly, I think that it is going to mean society swings much harder to the right.

I concur. Trump with bells on.

They will stop going out when they realise you, your sister, Mother and your daughter can't escape men anywhere.

Men say they are women and are beginning to colonise. This makes no sense either. Colonise where? Earth? They did that a long time ago.

Sadly instances of men insisting they are legally women seem to be happening all over the world! There are many instances on threads here.

But it is not being remarked upon in any concerted, mainstream manner - other than to celebrate how wonderfully liberal some individual / institution is.

www.ibtimes.co.uk/nhs-apologises-after-trans-nurse-facial-stubble-selected-do-cervical-smear-test-1653262

I don't think many women will stop going out. I don't think most people even know about this, do they?

They say they are women when we ask for a woman to give smear tests. Eh? I don't understand this.

How many men are doing this? I haven't seen it anywhere. It is just in the southeast?

I'm terrified. I feel so powerless. I'm scared to admit my views irl as it might cost me my job, so I am just sitting by and letting it happen.

People are looking back at women's history and applying that information to the legal changes to women's status currently under consideration and some changes that have already happened.