Ok... hormone blockers... what are the downsides?

There is something very weird about this, and I am surprised it is not questioned more

There are very few journalists with a scientific background, and even many doctors haven't looked into this issue in any detail. Even if doctors wanted to protest, the General Medical Council and Royal College of GPs have fully ingested the Kool-aid and doctors are told that any attempt to counsel children that gender dysphoria may not persist is 'conversion therapy'. Doctors face losing their careers if they question the trans agenda.

Meanwhile WPATH and the transactivist lobby are aggressively silencing anyone who questions them - even actual experts in trans medicine, like Kenneth Zucker (a psychologist, rather than a doctor).

What does surprise me is how slow gay men have been to wake up to the fact that gay boys are being sterilised. Lesbians have been saying this from the start, of course, but no one listens to them. Gay men are our best hope of the media waking up - because no one can accuse them of being anti-LGBT.

However, if you take them past the "puberty window" and then go straight onto hormones for the opposite sex, you will never go through puberty

See that's pretty terrifying to me. We are effectively creating a group of Peter Pan children who will never grow up. Is there not something deeply creepy about these perpetual children who don't do dirty messy things like have periods or have babies but who it is perfectly legal to have sex with. There is something very weird about this, and I am surprised it is not questioned more.

It's really important to understand that puberty is not just about sexual development. It matures the whole body: brain, bones, liver etc.

There is a window of opportunity to go through puberty in your teens. If you start taking PBs and stop during that window, you should go through puberty without problems so, in that sense, they are reversible.

However, if you take them past the "puberty window" and then go straight onto hormones for the opposite sex, you will never go through puberty. Taking high levels oestrogen & progesterone (or T for TIFs) will to some extent mimic the superficial effects of puberty - so TIFs will grow facial hair and TIMs will develop breasts. But this is not the same as normal puberty. These sex hormones actually suppress the brain's production of the hormones that drive puberty.

So PBs then hormones past the "puberty window" will leave people perpetually immature in their physical & brain development. The closest parallel prior to the trans madness were the castrati - the boy singers whose testicles were removed, so they never went through puberty. They had numerous health problems; here's one description:

As the bodies of a castrato grew, a lack of testosterone restricted his bone joints from hardening in the normal way. The limbs of a castrato often grew unusually long, giving them a seraphic look.... Their physical appearances and unique voices made them stick out

But while the form of the castrato was seen as elegant, the repercussions of the surgery were often felt later in life when their large bones developed osteoporosis and their organs began to struggle beneath the weight of their extremely tall bodies. It was also common for castrati to become depressed as they aged. Many felt extreme mental anguish, were extremely sensitive, and often had an erratic mental state. Researchers aren't sure why exactly, but research of castrati bones show the many of the singers developed hypertosis frontalis interna. The rare disease occurs when the front bone of the skull thickens, and causes seizures, headaches, and affects the sex glands

This is the future for trans kids

I’d like to know what the impact of these drugs is on brain development other than IQ.
I’ve read that puberty ‘re-wires’ the brain so that we learn to risk assess, to approach things more calmly etc. Presumably if someone opts out of their natural puberty and then takes cross-sex hormones, while they will develop secondary sexual characteristics they won’t have had a true puberty.

Surely we’ve evolved to have adolescence and puberty because it is beneficial. If the benefits go beyond the development of mature sex organs, we could be depriving these children of an adult brain, capable of coping with the world. Given that trans children seem to have other issues already, are the doctors who prescribe this stuff helping or making things worse? Have they even considered this?

TERFousBreakdown that article is just awful, as in, the things that have happened to all those poor girls (now women, of course) are so terrible. I can’t imagine how any doctor could give these drugs to a child when there is a danger that they be crippled with osteoperosis by twenty.

"if a child is put on puberty blockers for say 5 years (but takes no cross sex hormones) and then comes off the puberty blockers, will that child then go through a normal puberty?"

Actually that is very difficult to say, I've tried investigating the effects on bones and they are very cagey and say things like "the growth plates don't close". Then you find that bone density is affected as well as height, as boys will not be their normal male height once they truncate the process with cross-sex hormones. Apparently this is actually desirable as they might pass better for a female.

As far as I can tell (from experience about precocious puberty) is that it is considered that after a delay of about 3-16 months puberty will resume normally. But this is managed quite differently, if a girl is showing signs of puberty at say age 7 at best they will only be on it a couple of years with removal at age 9 or so which will mean they go through puberty with their peers. In the case of children with the excuse of "buying time" the process is rarely aborted and it is almost inevitable they won't allow normal puberty to proceed. There seems to be little research concerning being on this an extended time and any effects this might have on normal maturation and fertility particularly that the delay to return to puberty proceeding may be delayed or not even resume. The concern about normal development socially and being out of step with peers seems to disappear even though it is a concern for those affected by precocious puberty.

In fact, this is simply an experiment done with no concern for the actual needs of the children involved. It's entirely adult driven.

www.lupronvictimshub.com/

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The SPC for Prostap (the UK licensed version of leuprorelin acetate - Lupron is from the US) says:

“In a long-term clinical trial in children treated with leuprorelin at doses up to 15mg monthly for > 4 years resumption of pubertal progression were observed after cessation of treatment. Follow up of 20 female subjects to adulthood showed normal menstrual cycles in 80% and 12 pregnancies in 7 of the 20 subjects including multiple pregnancies for 4 subjects.”

So kind of, but maybe not entirely.

I've not seen this answered anywhere, but are they reversible? Ie if a child is put on puberty blockers for say 5 years (but takes no cross sex hormones) and then comes off the puberty blockers, will that child then go through a normal puberty?

Those poor children. The medical profession should be ashamed of itself over this.

"Jazz was a gender non conforming little boy who was abused and exploited by his parents before he could possibly have had any concept of the effects of what they were doing to him. Tragic."

It is terribly tragic. I don't know how anyone with any sense or decency can know his story and not realise the harm being done by transactivism.

And can we just have a bit of a think about 'pausing' puberty for a moment please? Are we saying that we keep a child in a state of suspended animation until they are legally old enough to decide if they want to mutilate their bodies or not? But they're still emotionally and physically children at this point presumably if their puberty has been paused. So how can they make those decisions?

I don't recommend watching 'I am jazz' in any way which will contribute to the viewing figures or the money being made by the kid's parents but there are many clips on YouTube that give you an idea of how crap Jazz's life is now. Depressed, weighing too much for SRS surgery due to binge eating, zero sexual function, a micro penis and not enough penile tissue to create a neo vagina so needing to have one created out of part of the bowel.
Jazz was a gender non conforming little boy who was abused and exploited by his parents before he could possibly have had any concept of the effects of what they were doing to him. Tragic.

Use of blockers for 3 years (to delay puberty) was associated with a reliable drop in IQ in this study

And how can Tavistock on "I am Leo" - CBBC - state that it is totally reversible?

The main disingenuous thing about this is that going on puberty blockers means, in 100% of cases, the child goes on to cross-sex hormones, the effects of which are irreversible. They just kind of enforce the trans identity.

It's often said that puberty blockers are "buying time". This is the big lie. All children who take them go on to cross-sex hormones while a large percentage of children who don't go on to desist.

Puberty blockers create persistence.

No, but weird that all these kids will just never become adults eh? Permanent state of pre-puberty.

Tinfoil hat time but just reading what upstart wrote about creating eunuchs, is this whole movement orchestrated by some nefarious anarchist group hoping to slow the human birth rate and create a super class who’s main commodity is controlling the fertility of the rest of humanity?

takes tinfoil hat off for a scratch

A person needs to determine by 14 what their gender is. If they aren't sure, they have to come off the blocker.

I am 50 and have no idea what my gender is.

Thanks Sophocles I did. Sorry that you had to have excision though, that must have been horrendous.

Some of the clinicians 'treating' these children are now starting to partially acknowledge that puberty blockers are harmful to children - but their answer is that children should start on the cross-sex hormones earlier so that they aren't on the puberty blockers for as long:

"One of the things that happens during puberty is that the rate of calcium development increases markedly," he said. A puberty blocker slows down the rate of bone mineral acquisition, potentially lowering bone density. "This uptick is important in minimizing risks of osteoporosis later in life. So there's a theoretical harm if you put puberty on hold a long time."

The average age for puberty in girls is 10 or 11. In boys, it's generally between 10 and 12.

"As an endocrinologist, I decided years ago that if you waited until 16, which is way beyond the normal age of puberty, that would be taking an unnecessary risk,' Rosenthal continued. "We made the decision we wouldn't do that. A person needs to determine by 14 what their gender is. If they aren't sure, they have to come off the blocker."

(Taken from this article: www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/when-kids-come-in-saying-they-are-transgender-or-no-gender-these-doctors-try-to-help/2018/01/19/f635e5fa-dac0-11e7-a841-2066faf731ef_story.html?utm_term=.de1fa1dade38 )

As has been seen above problems 'later in life' can mean in their 20s or earlier - and, while the majority of children with gender dysphoria used to desist once they hit puberty, if you stop them from going through puberty (by putting them on puberty blockers), 100% of them go on to transition.

I had the depot injenction, pythagonal.

Did SFA for the endo - nothing helped but excision.

I hope you have been able to find effective treatment, it's a vile disease

Like Sophocles, I too have been given GnRH analogues as a treatment for endometriosis, albeit not Lupron. I also agree that these should never, ever be given to children - my side effects were also horrendous.

I was given the GnRH analogue as a nasal spray, using it twice a day for six months was horrible.

Omg so the kids dose is bigger than adults

Despite the claims, no one can change sex. Its extreme cosmetic surgery, it doesn't change your biological sex. Only your appearance.

www.transgendertrend.com/puberty-blockers/

TL:DR version, the Lupron dose given every three months as a puberty blocker is the same or greater than the dose given to induce temporary menopause in women with endometriosis.

Despicable.