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NUS LGBT+ Student Sex Workers Campaign

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OlennasWimple · 04/03/2018 13:54

Briefing is here

Beyond depressing.

Rather than working to eliminate the factors that drive women to sex work (71% of respondents to a previous NUS survey identified as women, 17% as non-binary - but I bet most of those were women...), they are campaigning to allow student sex workers to continue working in the sex trade and to do so using university facilities and premises, including halls of residence

I'm intrigued that 70% of the respondents to the survey identified as gay / lesbian / queer, though. This is presumably why it's the LGBT+ bit of NUS that is pushing the "guidance"

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 04/03/2018 18:59

I'm intrigued that 70% of the respondents to the survey identified as gay / lesbian / queer

Obviously from the Stonewall school of meaningless surveys...

Materialist · 04/03/2018 18:56

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GreeboIsMySpiritAnimal · 04/03/2018 18:54

This is appalling news. How can I encourage my daughter - or son, for that matter - to go to the university if this is what they'll be exposed to?

What does SWERF stand for?

CircleSquareCircleSquare · 04/03/2018 18:46

I'd suspect that if they thought a student was running a business (of any sort let alone one that risks others security) from their room in residence or otherwise using the university's facilities for non academic purposes they would be asked to leave pretty sharpish due to breaching codes of conduct.

My friend was asked to leave first year halls for running a jewellery making business from her room.

CircleSquareCircleSquare · 04/03/2018 18:44

So they are proposing that students accept men who are paying for sex should be allowed to roam halls of residence and presumably if you question this you are labelled a SWERF?

I’m all for sex worker safety but this is a whole other board game!

nooka · 04/03/2018 18:33

I used to manage security for a university (not in the UK but somewhere that has very much drunk the Kool Aid). We occasionally caught men who were attempting to solicit students on campus. If they were polite they got thrown out and told not to come back. If not polite the police were called and they were banned from campus. Like many universities our campus was open access but no one wants this type of man anywhere near it. Most residences have rules about who is allowed in, with students responsible for their visitors etc because of security concerns. I'd suspect that if they thought a student was running a business (of any sort let alone one that risks others security) from their room in residence or otherwise using the university's facilities for non academic purposes they would be asked to leave pretty sharpish due to breaching codes of conduct.

I can't open the attachment but I'd be very dubious of the survery's veracity. If the numbers in the OP are correct then only 10% of respondents 'identified' as men and 30% as heterosexual so where all the men and straight women?

picklemepopcorn · 04/03/2018 18:12

So, inviting men who pay for sex onto the campus. Can't see any problems there... Hmm

TimbuktuTimbuktu · 04/03/2018 18:11

Is is possible to find out how many people responded to the survey? The stat claiming that 87% of respondents were LGBTQ/NB must be false. Either the survey respondents are lying (as someone posted that research about people filling in outrageous answers for a laugh) or it wasn't distributed correctly, or the epidemic of people identifying as appropriating queer has reached ridiculous proportions.

TallulahWaitingInTheRain · 04/03/2018 17:56

If prostitution was empowering then people wouldn't be being trafficked into it. And the people talking about how empowering it is would be the ones doing it.

If I had had to share my intimate space in student halls with a bunch of johns and pimps coming and going I'd have dropped out of university

And aren't enciting prostitution and running a brothel still criminal offences?

OlennasWimple · 04/03/2018 15:04

I'm glad it's not just me who feels so uncomfortable about this. It's just so wrong Angry

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UpstartCrow · 04/03/2018 14:38

The paragraphs on the Nordic Model and the New Zealand Model sounds like it was written by pimps.

TERFousBreakdown · 04/03/2018 14:36

Having given this a few more minutes' thought: obviously, opposition to this will be framed as being SWERFy, mean, exclusionary and myriad other horrible adjectives.

But I believe it was a former boss of mine, a man of course, who really nailed the argument for why prostitution was really not empowering women:

If prostitution was that great, wealthy male white senior executives like myself would be encouraging our own daughters into it!

TallulahWaitingInTheRain · 04/03/2018 14:29
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swivelchair · 04/03/2018 14:25

and to do so using university facilities and premises, including halls of residence

Red light districts within a university. Christ. If that's not a hostile environment for women I don't know what is! Please let this all be over by the time my kids are old enough to know what all this is.

TERFousBreakdown · 04/03/2018 14:22

and to do so using university facilities and premises, including halls of residence

And there I was told by my mother that I needed to go to university so that I could have a job that would not demean me! Guess she got a couple of things wrong there ...

Seriously, though: I'm speechless! And worried about the conclusions misogynistic men will allow themselves to draw about female students out of this!

TheButterflyOfTheStorms · 04/03/2018 14:06

Halls of residence? Fuck. Can't see any possible issues with that Hmm

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