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"Wrong bathroom" sign in university toilet

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PinkChestnut · 03/03/2018 10:58

I peak transed a while ago, but then have leveled out recently and taken the live and let live approach in my thinking.

However this sign in a Scottish university bathroom, designed by transpeople, bothers me.

"they are using the facilities they feel safe in - please do not take that right away from them"

So if there's a petite young woman in the toilets beside a 6'3 muscular male appearanced person and she feels uncomfortable, where does she go to feel safe? The disabled toilet?

Also "don't challenge them" sounds wrong to me. Like they're untouchable. What if they're acting inappropriate?

"Wrong bathroom" sign in university toilet
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SnibbleAgain · 03/03/2018 12:42

I have got horrible visions of drunken groups of blokes staggering in and pissing in the sink.

Lots of men seem to think that doing gross / disgusting things to women or the things that "belong" to them is incredibly funny.

hahahaIdontgetit · 03/03/2018 12:41

I would definitely have to nip into the gents to check that they have the same signs above the urinals.....

DrivinHomeForXmas · 03/03/2018 12:41

Anglia Ruskin isn't a Scottish University, I appreciate that isn't the issue but just wanted to point that out.

Lovesagin · 03/03/2018 12:38

I really will put it in the bin if I see a sign like that

SnibbleAgain · 03/03/2018 12:37
  1. Gents have urinals I am sure many men would be really uncomfortable with a woman / women coming in when they are there with their cocks out, it is unfair to think that they should just act like it's all AOK
  2. Take the sign and put it on the gents
  3. The point about signs for trafficked women - god - I' hadn't thought of that. The men can escort them everywhere now
Dozer · 03/03/2018 12:36

The men “taking advantage” will probably not be transwomen but common or garden men.

Usedaname01 · 03/03/2018 12:32

If someone's transgender and they literally change their gender then yeah i guess they should go to the toilets that match their sex. But I'd rather not walk into the toilets and see a fully grown man claiming to be a women on the inside but doesn't seem to be doing much about it I'm going to feel uncomfortable. I'm not saying every transgender person is like that but some people COULD take advantage of this situation

senua · 03/03/2018 12:30

And to add insult to injury, the DO NOTs are written on the pink paper.

We have to start using the male toilets (en masse, for safety).

Dozer · 03/03/2018 12:28

“if someone is minding their own business then you mind yours”

Biological men using womens loos are not “minding their own business”. They’re using previously single sex spaces. We have single sex spaces for good cultural and girls and womens safety reasons. unisex loos and men being in womens loos make it easier for (a minority of) men who wish to commit sexual crimes, eg voyeuristic, assault, to enter and do so.

Waddlelikeapenguin · 03/03/2018 12:20

FFS
"Women know your place" budge up the men are taking it...

Lovesagin · 03/03/2018 12:17

I read this as I can say a man in the ladies toilet clearly thinks IM in the wrong toilet and is making me feel uncomfortable.

Or, I'd just stick the sign in the bin.

And sorry, I see a dude in the ladies toilets, I'll stare my arse off. And make fucking sure he feels uncomfortable.

velourvoyageur · 03/03/2018 12:13

Xpost :)

velourvoyageur · 03/03/2018 12:13

Windchimes

So do you see no good reason for the segregation of loos by the sex of those who use them?

YetAnotherSpartacus · 03/03/2018 12:12

Wind, Then why not just make the toilets officially mixed sex? Why the attention seeking notice

I've just got back from somewhere where most toilets were unixex/mixed sex. They were filthy and unsafe.

I stick by the requirement for toilets segregated by sex.

velourvoyageur · 03/03/2018 12:10

but these toilets too will not have the expectation to be male-free anymore

Well quite. We'll have to assume that every obviously male-bodied person, having adopted no sign of any 'femininity', is at the very beginning of an arduous and traumatising transition which they're gathering up courage to properly launch into, so we couldn't possibly say anything, especially since any male-bodied person who comes into the loo will only have the best of intentions, because exclusively TIM will come into the women's loo, and TIM are universally non-aggressive and lovely and commit crime at the same rate as women, because crime is motivated by whether you have a lady brain or not.
I mean, I'm curious, if the only reason you still present as completely male is because you're worried about the social fallout your transition will provoke, then surely you'd be more than a bit hesitant about using women's loos, but whatever...

GardenGeek · 03/03/2018 12:08

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Dozer · 03/03/2018 12:03

I would deface that.

BigDeskBob · 03/03/2018 12:03

Wind, Then why not just make the toilets officially mixed sex? Why the attention seeking notice?

Patodp · 03/03/2018 12:02

Oh, when these students enter the real world....

YetAnotherSpartacus · 03/03/2018 12:02

Maybe it should also say 'lie back and think of Scotland'?

windchimesabotage · 03/03/2018 11:59

I think people are overreacting to this sign. It simply means if someone is minding their own business then you mind yours. It doesnt mean you need to tolerate assault!! If someone of any gender is being inappropriate or aggressive with you then you should report them/tell them to stop regardless of where you are.
This sign is simply regarding people who are just in the bathroom.
Not people showing you their genitals or getting up in your space!! Of course you react to that!!
What this sign is asking people not to react to is simply people going in and out of a toilet. Which I think is fair enough honestly.

Fekko · 03/03/2018 11:58

Where is this notice? I usually have sharpies in my bag anyway (work and child related).

Lettucepray · 03/03/2018 11:57

I don't give a shit! I will be challenging, in a non confrontational calm way of course........

Fekko · 03/03/2018 11:57

If you don’t think someone should be in there... stfu? So no one can be challenged and the assumption is that they are genuine and ‘safe’.

Is the same notice in the men’s loos too? Or the disabled toilets? Or the showers?

Utter nonsense.

DontBuyANewMumCashmere · 03/03/2018 11:54

What would I do, as a copper, when I was sent to a shopping centre toilets where a male was perving on women?
What if he told me he identified as a woman?
What if I told you he was leaning over/under cubicle doors?
What if there was footage on his phone of it?

Would that make things different?

So are there any circumstances where a female is allowed to challenge anyone, but in this instance specifically a male bodied person?
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