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My Life CBBC Transgender

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MrsPatterson2014 · 03/03/2018 10:16

I have been reading these threads for months, never felt brave enough to post. Have been promted by my 7 and 9 year old telling me that people can be born in the wrong body and they are Transgender. They both repeated this as a matter of faith as being 7 and 9 their critical faculties are still very much in development. Hence a conversation with them about how no one can be born in the wrong body etc. Have only watched about 10 mind of the programme ( will watch the rest later) but was presented very uncritically. Am rambling a bit as in a hurry but I think my point is, should CBBC really be presenting this issue as fact to young and susceptible children?

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yourhairiswinterfire · 12/01/2021 16:43

Keira Bell has stolen rights from thousands of children. She has made the lives of trans youth 10x harder. Trans individuals face wait lists of years just to find out that they can’t even get puberty blockers because a stupid court ruling. You can understand why you would be angry.

No, Keira Bell exposed wrongdoing. The Tavistock were acting wrong, according to 3 well respected high court judges.

They should never have been accepting consent for this kind of ''treatment'' from children in the first place. They've caused this mess. If they were acting properly and there were no problems, they wouldn't have lost. Your anger should be directed at the Tavistock and everyone else involved in experimenting on children who don't have the capacity to consent.

Transgender individuals are more likely to commit suicide

And this is just bullshit. It seems you get your information from Twitter memes or something...

CaraDuneRedux · 12/01/2021 16:37

Re. 1 Christian friends of mine would assert with equal conviction and sincerity that Jesus Christ is the son of God and our saviour.

I don't believe them either.

Unthinkingly repeating quasi-religious mantras doesn't win people over to your position. It just makes you look at best a bit naive and at worst a bit dim.

OldCrone · 12/01/2021 16:36

Transgender individuals are more likely to commit suicide and the long they spend waiting for medical help, the closer they will get to killing themselves.

Young people who suffer from poor mental health need mental health support, not puberty blockers, which have a 'common or very common' side effect of depression, according to NICE.

bnfc.nice.org.uk/drug/triptorelin.html#sideEffects

You should be campaigning for young people struggling with mental health issues to have better mental health support, not for them to be given untested drugs which have the potential to make their condition worse rather than better (as well as all the negative effects on their physical health).

The Tavistock also said that in many cases, the mental health of girls deteriorated after they were prescribed puberty blockers.

Britishkid7gk · 12/01/2021 16:31
  1. Transwomen are women and transmen are men
  2. What do prostitutes have to do with this?
  3. www.hrc.org/resources/sexual-assault-and-the-lgbt-community
Britishkid7gk · 12/01/2021 16:28

Keira Bell has stolen rights from thousands of children. She has made the lives of trans youth 10x harder. Trans individuals face wait lists of years just to find out that they can’t even get puberty blockers because a stupid court ruling. You can understand why you would be angry. Transgender individuals are more likely to commit suicide and the long they spend waiting for medical help, the closer they will get to killing themselves. Jammidodger on YouTube has a very informative video about this which I would recommend watching

PrawnofthePatriarchy · 12/01/2021 16:27

Transgender individuals are more likely to be sexually assaulted.

Evidence? Because it seems improbable that men who identify as women are more likely to be sexually assaulted than women, given that such men are a lot better able to defend themselves than are women.

In America black transwomen have a life expectancy of THIRTY FIVE because so many trans individuals are murdered.

This is not true. If you insist that it is then produce evidence. There is a high death toll and reduced life expectancy among prostitutes of both sexes and any gender in South America.

Your claims are old ones that have been proved false many times. That's what comes of parroting claims you haven't checked out.

In the UK transgender people are one of the safest demographics. In the recent past there have been more trans murderers than victims.

CaraDuneRedux · 12/01/2021 16:17

May I suggest that our recent influx of young teens might more usefully spend their time on homeschooling?

Start with history - genuine civil rights movements like women's suffrage, black civil rights.

Still with history - the history of eugenics in the 20th century, paying attention to the fact that eugenics was not just practised in fascist regimes but also in liberal democracies like the UK, USA and Sweden. Stretch question: does advocating for the sterilisation of children ever place you on "the right side of history"? (Stretch stretch question for those with their eye on A level history: from a historiographical point of view, do phrases like the "right side of history" make sense?)

Politics: given that gender reassignment is a protected characteristic under the Equalities Act, list the rights that trans people in the UK currently lack compared to the general population?

Politics: research the phenomenon of astroturfing with particular reference to the growth of smokers' rights organisations funded by tobacco companies and supposedly independent climate change sceptical think tanks funded by fossil fuel companies (see Merchants of Doubt for further reading). Ask yourself how special interest groups for straight white males were able to reinvent themselves as civil rights movements?

Britishkid7gk · 12/01/2021 16:09

Also if you want figured go check out Jammidodger on YouTube. He is a transman who has done a PHD on being trans so it’s pretty safe to say he knows what he is talking about. He has videos about Keira Bell and JK Rowling which both contain many statistics and sources related to being trans.

yourhairiswinterfire · 12/01/2021 16:05

@Britishkid7gk

metro.co.uk/2020/03/01/woman-sue-nhs-rushed-gender-reassignment-treatment-12330020/

Check the link out. She is suing the NHS because she regrets her own decisions. The detransition rate is so incredibly low and a majority of people detransitioning are doing so because of the transphobia they face. The Tavistock have correctly treated thousands of transgender individuals.

The headline is misleading. The article was referring to the action Keira took in 2020, and clearly states that it was a judicial review.

"‘A judge has this week decided that the proposed judicial review of the Gender Identity Development Service approach may proceed to a hearing."

There is a trans person currently suing the NHS during a global pandemic for long wait times, even though they're all sorted now. Suing the NHS during a time where people can't even have their urgent cancer treatments. Nice of them, isn't it?

Newbee9 · 12/01/2021 16:02

tallhedgehog

“Hello, I am shocked by the intolerance on this thread. I am a teenager, who watched the show aged 7. Despite being a tomboy and a lesbian, i am not 'confused' and i understand the frankly basic difference between gender dysphoria and not liking pink. The show didn't confuse me in the slightest, merely expanding my horizons and making me more tolerant. In fact, the concept made perfect sense to me, a 7 year old, and i think it shows your internalised transphobia that you struggle with the concept. Oh, and being transgender is thoroughly supported by scientists. I suggest you educate yourselves instead of posting intolerant views against a show starring a 13 year old boy”

Tall hedgehog.
I am Leo was first aired Nov 2014. If you watched it then (and not later on repeat) the oldest you can possibly be now (as you were 7 at the time) is 13 years old.

Firstly, does MN allow 13 year olds to post?
Secondly, the JD review established that it is unlikely 16 year olds and younger have the capacity to make sound decisions about such matters.
This was agreed by three judges. It is enshrined in law.
Maybe best to discuss with your parent first when using the internet. Posting without parental permission when you’re under 16 is fraught with issues. Your internet safety use needs to be a priority.

Britishkid7gk · 12/01/2021 15:58

Transgender individuals are more likely to be sexually assaulted. They experience transphobia on a daily basis. In America black transwomen have a life expectancy of THIRTY FIVE because so many trans individuals are murdered. Regardless of your gender, you have to put your safety first.

Britishkid7gk · 12/01/2021 15:54

metro.co.uk/2020/03/01/woman-sue-nhs-rushed-gender-reassignment-treatment-12330020/

Check the link out. She is suing the NHS because she regrets her own decisions. The detransition rate is so incredibly low and a majority of people detransitioning are doing so because of the transphobia they face. The Tavistock have correctly treated thousands of transgender individuals.

NancyDrawed · 12/01/2021 15:52

Can you link or at least give me a hint of where I can find proper scientific evidence that 'supports being transgender' (not people with DSDs)

I am also interested in where the 1% detransition figure comes from? All the information I have read seems to say that no one really knows what the level of detransition is, due to people being lost from follow up.
Of the majority of those 1% that you say detransition because of a lack of acceptance from those around them, why should that matter, if they are living their true authentic life? And I ask that genuinely, not flippantly - why does someone else's acceptance of how a person chooses to live their life matter to an individual who is so sure that they are trans that they go through the process?

yourhairiswinterfire · 12/01/2021 15:49

@Britishkid7gk

1. Due to an absolutely ridiculous individual who sued the NHS in a global pandemic children can’t get puberty blockers
  1. There’s nothing wrong with encouraging children to be themselves. If your child is trans LET THEM FUCKING BE TRANS. It isn’t harming you. The only people being harmed are transgender individuals by your bigoted transphobic beliefs.
A judicial review isn't suing anyone. It's asking a judge to review the lawfulness of decisions or actions made by public bodies.

Do your homework before you embarrass yourself further. The Tavistock have acted appallingly, and now they have to face up to that. It's not Keira's fault, it's the Tavistock's.

Britishkid7gk · 12/01/2021 15:42
  1. Due to an absolutely ridiculous individual who sued the NHS in a global pandemic children can’t get puberty blockers
  2. There’s nothing wrong with encouraging children to be themselves. If your child is trans LET THEM FUCKING BE TRANS. It isn’t harming you. The only people being harmed are transgender individuals by your bigoted transphobic beliefs.
Britishkid7gk · 12/01/2021 15:40

If people transition to avoid sexism why do transwomen exist? Being a bit uncomfortable with your period is not gender dysphoria. Gender dysphoria can cause people to have suicidal thoughts. It claims lives. People with gender dysphoria can even want to perform surgery in themselves to change their body because they were born in the wrong body. Science supports transgender individuals and I just pray that one day you will change and stop being so ignorant.

Britishkid7gk · 12/01/2021 15:37

Less than 1% of people detransition. Of that 1% a majority of them detransition due to not being accepted by those around them. Keira Bell is a one off case which has stupidly been allowed to impact on all transgender individuals in the UK. Her case doesn’t show that children can’t make their own decisions. She AS AN ADULT chose to have top surgery. It’s nothing to do with her age or doctors but more her feeding her doctors lies.

Britishkid7gk · 12/01/2021 15:35

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ThinkIveFoundYourMarbles · 10/01/2021 18:08

Oh, and being transgender is thoroughly supported by scientists.

The Keira Bell case strongly suggests this is not the case at all? 🤔

Quaagars · 10/01/2021 12:17

Yes

Wow.
OK

Fuckingcrustybread · 10/01/2021 11:00

@Quaagars

Exactly. Why are men who run the BBC encouraging children to take puberty blockers?

How exactly are people running the BBC encouraging children to take puberty blockers?
Unless you're summising that every young person who watches must automatically think they must be trans too, or have ideas planted in their head for seeing the trans?

Yes
CuntAmongstThePigeons · 10/01/2021 10:59

Bloody hell, is it really that difficult to understand. It's not about "showing trans people on tv" way to massively miss the point. Its acknowledging that the way being trans is presented (to kids-who are not known for their critical thinking abilities) is so simplistic and black and white with pseudo science like boy and girl brains. It's the fact that gender dysphoria is presented as how one knows they are trans. It's all rooted in horribly regressive sex based stereotypes which in and off themselves are offensive and outdated. But on top of that, as many, many women have pointed out - Gender dysphoria and not aligning with sex stereotypes, DOES NOT MEAN YOU ARE TRANS. As we've all said a thousand times, many of us felt the way these children feel during puberty. It's hard going through puberty as a girl in a sexist world. But luckily for us adults didn't give us life changing and body harming drugs and as a result we went through puberty and came out the other side. THAT is our point. Let children be children and stop telling them their bodies are wrong. Teach children to love themselves. Jesus wept, it should not be this difficult. Also 75 -80% of "trans kids" grow out of gender dysphoria, as we all did. So giving puberty blockers to children is making so many extra kids medical patients for life. Hiw can anyone be ok with that?!?!?!

Quaagars · 10/01/2021 02:37

Exactly. Why are men who run the BBC encouraging children to take puberty blockers?

How exactly are people running the BBC encouraging children to take puberty blockers?
Unless you're summising that every young person who watches must automatically think they must be trans too, or have ideas planted in their head for seeing the trans?

Wandawomble · 10/01/2021 02:22

@HermioneWeasley

Why are the men who run the BBC so invested in transitioning children?
Exactly. Why are men who run the BBC encouraging children to take puberty blockers?
ALittleBitofVitriol · 10/01/2021 00:27

Hi tallhedgehog
How old are you now?
How do you find yourself on a 3 year old mumsnet thread?
I'm sure we're all thrilled that you apparently weren't confused by a show you watched when you were 7, but we discuss things like the possible correlation between trans-messaging in media and the 4000% rise in teen girls seeking to transition. Why do you think there has been such a rise in this population? How many of your female peers identify as something other than girls?