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Women's aid? How to ask for help

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Satorye · 02/03/2018 14:46

I saw their page has few services that might be of help to me but then again I'm not sure how to ask for help or how to address it.
Basically I'm isolated with my 1.5 year old son, in an abusive relationship far from relatives and friends. I have history of sexual abuse and rape(fairly recent history as well)and let's say it hasn't been easy since I got pregnant unplanned and now I can't see how to get out of this situation, having no job or skills... I suppose no one can fix my life for me but I was wondering if there's some way to navigate out of this, even in baby steps.

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TallulahWaitingInTheRain · 16/03/2018 22:59

Brew for you Satorye. Hope you're OK.

TimbuktuTimbuktu · 15/03/2018 14:53

The refuge is exactly for people like you. If these men were abusive all the time Boone would stay. It is exactly because they cycle through shitty behaviour that women stay.

You and your child deserve better than this. You are a person who deserves to live your life in your own right. Xx

Badgerthebodger · 15/03/2018 14:05

The refuge will help you with all of the next steps. Try not to worry too much about that now, the priority is to keep safe. It can seem overwhelming at this point because your mind is going in a hundred different directions what if what if what if, and you feel like you don’t have any control, and there’s both too many options and too few, and this man has made you doubt that you have a mind of your own.

Stop. Breathe. You will get through this. Take it one step at a time - only you know what you need to do but try not to think about something as huge as the rest of your life. You don’t have to make those decisions now. You can make them from a place of empowerment and support, after reflecting on your choices that are nothing to do with him. And won’t that just be the best feeling? Figuring out what you want to do with your life.

Stay safe. We’re thinking of you

SweetGrapes · 15/03/2018 13:13

Well done. I was thinking about you... but didn't like to press for an update. Flowers

Keep moving forward even if it's baby steps. You will look back in years time and this will be the turning point of your life...

Satorye · 15/03/2018 13:09

Thanks Badger. There's couple of more weeks before I get basics ready. It feels like years already, I just want to stop living like this once and for all and never go back in this position.
I feel trapped-like if I manage to get away I'll end up back here. I still don't know what it feels like to rely on myself only, which is sad given how many young women my age have their lives, jobs, friends and school/interests all independently/from their partners.

I just wonder what to do after I come to refuge...I suppose I'll talk it all out when they call me but there seems to be so many things to do.

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Badgerthebodger · 15/03/2018 10:28

No lovey, you’re not crazy. You are completely entitled to a place in a refuge, this is exactly the kind of situation they exist for. I don’t have any helpful advice I’m afraid but I wanted to say again, we’re here, we believe you, we’re right behind you cheering you on all the way to a new, better life that doesn’t have him in it. Flowers

Satorye · 15/03/2018 10:24

Thanks Tallulah. It's hard to focus on days when he's acting nice, on moments I think he's"manageable". But that's obviously not true, it's probably due to me trying to be careful these days not to mess up my plans.

I can never truly relax, always have to tiptoe, choose battles and indefinitely wonder what will happen"if"-if I don't want to be together ever again with him(because he's just waiting to eventually come back to bed, he has tried to get in uninvited couple of times), if I start working(he is irritable when I'm out for just two hours I can imagine what it would be once I'd be in contact with people on daily basis), if I want to do something for myself(like sports classes, where again he'd turn jealous on the coaches)and so on...not to mention I'm constantly stressed how he refuses to give more attention to our son. This is far, far from how I want to raise my son.

I'm scared of going to refuge being seen as unnecessary. This is a lovely little apartment with everything we need and more and when people speak to my partner they think he's a nice guy and how our son looks cheerful. Only I am the crazy one here, at least my family thinks so.

@EmyRoo thanks for the site I think it will be useful.

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TallulahWaitingInTheRain · 14/03/2018 21:07

Well done you. That took a lot of courage. You will get yourself back once you get away from him. Stick with it Satorye Flowers

Satorye · 14/03/2018 20:50

Thanks all for replying.
I've finally went to Women's aid and the kind woman that spoke to me said I'll receive a call by end of the week(can't exactly remember the name of service but in lines of prevention)if not I have to call them back.

I have changed all of my accounts passwords, hid notifications and locked the phone(I already made excuse it's because of our son not to go on the phone)and haven't said I've been to Women's aid or talked to anyone.

I'm trying to be smarter this time but I'm scared there will be a catch at the end of it all.

His passport should come anytime next week or so and then we are making my sons passport.
In the meantime I'm going for interview to get NIN(yes with invoices he made but please don't judge, I will work so I don't see a better option at the moment, even tho I feel like a fraud).

I'm hoping to go to shelter at some point because I'm living in constant fear of him finding out I was looking for help and then secretly arranging something with his lawyer(he's already seeing one for visa applications and he sounds capable), probably something related to custody or press charges on me.
I really don't know what to expect from him and I can't live like this.

Only now I realised how he kept me in control by keeping me indoors and bellitling me to point that I feel guilty to whoever I speak or look in the eye, not mentioning being scared of even thinking how I'll go to work in future.

The day I finally decided to go to woman's aid, I saw him with clarity. It was no special moment.
He dressed himself up like a doll for work, had his vain and careless look in his eyes and just went on to have his day, drinking coffee, chatting with people at work, maybe dropping an eye on some women and doing work that he's paid for. He looked the same, actually better, than two years ago when I came here.

It made me cry because I'm not half what I use to be or hoped to be. And he's moving on with his day like nothing ever happened in these two-three years.

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rowdywoman1 · 12/03/2018 08:01

Op, I think you need to go and seek advice.
The immigration issue will be there constantly - getting health treatment, nursery, schools - there will always be questions so getting the advice you need now and then planning what to do would be sensible. You really need some back up. The fire issue is a safeguarding matter and you must to be able to protect your child from behaviour like that.
Please go and talk to Women's Aid. Good luck

SweetGrapes · 12/03/2018 07:05

Do go and talk to them at least. It will give you another perspective and maybe stop you doubting yourself.

You really don't want to spend the next 1, 5, 10 years in the same situation do you? You have done nothing wrong and deserve so much better. Flowers

Satorye · 12/03/2018 00:05

I still haven't went and I'm dwelling whether I should go tomorrow.

I honestly feel crazy, leaving drama aside.
I don't know what to do, I'm afraid I'll regret talking to someone and starting something just like when I called police on him for putting clothes on fire in the bathroom...he had done it out of jealousy, claiming that he wasn't trying to harm anyone but himself-I'm still shocked with that selfishness; our son and me were in the apartment. What if my son had all that smoke he could've make in just few more minutes? It would be a different story if my son wasn't involved but like this I don't know how to forgive or forget, tho it was a year ago..

Every other day it seems to me like things have settled down and that I can manage it. But I'm not sure, honestly.
Today out of the blue he sent me a message with picture of my period calendar(I marked I masturbated in January-I know it's a weird thing to do but I have a personal goal of not masturbating because of the sexual abuse, I find I feel better if I don't-but it looks like the same mark for intercourse if you don't click)and said"Just happens to be on the day you went to chiropractor!"

I mean wtf? I literally don't go out of the house other than with my son 2-3 times a week and when I need to go to GP etc(then I come straight home because he always acts pissed off no matter how early or late I come-I thought it's because he's in rush for work but he never even says when exactly he's going and hangs around home sometimes when I'm back for some time...)

..so to assume I had time to have sex with someone(or for gods sake just meet another human)is beyond me, not to mention we aren't sleeping together since mid-January neither I consider him my partner so I don't know why is his attention there...

I don't know what to do. It takes money for everything, I think I read on my local Women's aid page that you pay for the accommodation and the spaces are limited, most other women are sent to homeless shelters(latter part was from reviews tho).

I feel if I go home I'll have to listen how I should go back to him and will be constantly put down for the things I want to do in life. I don't have energy for that, I honestly ran away from my family to my"partner"in the first place and now I don't know which is worse, especially considering my son now.

I'm really damn tired of all this. Almost 3 years now I'm wilting in this apartment and don't know what to do. It seems easier for everyone to say that it's my own fault for where I am now and seems like I'm supposed to stay where I am as well, not to create problems in other people's lives.

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Strigiformes · 06/03/2018 21:59

Hope everything goes ok in the meeting Satorye Flowers The most important thing is that you and your son are safe, your ex's immigration issues are up to him to sort out. You don't owe him any help with it.

TallulahWaitingInTheRain · 06/03/2018 21:47

Good for you Satorye. Best of luck for the meeting Flowers

Satorye · 06/03/2018 18:58

Thanks everyone. I called my local Women's Aid and said I'll come in person. I haven't told anything to partner, he probably thinks I forgot about all this. I'll go with my son.
I'm still not sure what to tell them, I'm tired of lying but I can't expect them to respect me once I tell them I'm here pretty much illegally, I'm not sure what my options will be in that case...anyway I'm most likely going back to my home country with my son..

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EmyRoo · 04/03/2018 14:43

I have asked MN to edit your son’s name out of your second last post. This board is not as busy as Relationships, but it is best to be safe and not identifiable.

I have been through court regarding the childcare arrangements for my DC after leaving an abusive marriage. My xH argued in his documents and to all professionals who were involved that I was mentally ill. Of course this was the reason I did not want to be married, I was clearly crazy. The judge did not give this argument of his one single mention in court. The argument only worked because it made me doubt myself.

Abuse makes you doubt yourself, it is part of the control. Abusers always threaten to take the children too, they know that is a weak point they can use to get you. No court is going to separate your child from you. Dissociation is a normal response to abuse and trauma. Call one of the services listed on this thread and get real life advice. All these agencies will have seen situations like yours before and will help💐

TallulahWaitingInTheRain · 04/03/2018 13:59

Speak to women's aid Satorye. They will give you better advice and more reliable information than your abuser will Flowers

Satorye · 04/03/2018 12:38

And then he went on;

"I think about him, thats why I keep my mouth shut. Or else you would be long gone- alone. So keep your shit inside you and focus on him"

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Satorye · 04/03/2018 12:36

He keeps scaring me that they'll take our son, he just texted me this when I told him I locked the door and that I'll meet with him only for making his passport and NIN interview;

"Lets talk the fact. They will not give you the National Insurance unless you get all the require docs, so yes you can go to the aid to beg. In the mean time you will get treatment for mental illness and X will go to foster home! I will eventually go back but you will lose him too. If only barking was doing the job then street dog would be the most efficient in the world"

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Badgerthebodger · 04/03/2018 12:07

Oh love. You matter. You really do. You sound like you’re trying to do the best possible for your son and you’ve taken the brave first step of asking for help. Help is out there I promise, you can get out of this horrible situation and you will build your life back up. One day you will have friends and support and you will be a different person because you won’t have the weight on your shoulders of being ground down daily by an abusive fucker. Please don’t worry about immigration status, contact women’s aid and they will tell you what to do. We’re all behind you, you’re not alone, we’re here for you.

UpstartCrow · 04/03/2018 12:03

You may have some legal protection because of your situation, you really need to talk to Women's Aid and a solicitor. It sounds like you have been coerced and are in a controlling relationship.
Please talk to them.

Satorye · 04/03/2018 12:01

Thanks all I appreciate it.
I was scared to write this at first but my partner actually made fake invoices for me to get NIN(which I still have to go for...)so I'd have right to be here. I can't be other than self-employed or work in high-qualifications jobs(and I don't have qualifications...)because of my nationality restrictions. I'm about to make my son's passport and I have to do that with my partner(in London). We had to wait his passport to be sent back to make our DS passport(nevertheless partner was prolonging making it without knowing he's getting his passport soon/that he needs it).

I've flied here two and a half years ago after I met him online-I was already scared of meeting my rapists in the street(it's a small town and it happened often)and I failed to get a job(other than waitressing where people harassed me)not finishing high school so I wanted him to help me get on my feet in another country while I would help him out with his visa(his student visa expired so he wanted to make it"safe"by applying based on his partnership with me).

We weren't suppose to be together but I thought I liked him and initiated getting close. Not even a month after coming I got pregnant. No need to say it was a disaster ever since. I had no idea what a cruel person he is.

Just yesterday when I argued with him how he was a shit birthing partner he started telling me how everyone he knows think I'm"retarded", how my family must think that too. He has said worse things but this hurt me because I remembered how he ignored me while I was pregnant and how I would cry every few days just because of how isolated I felt(I know no one here and he never wanted to come out of house with me, when I would talk him in he acted like he's embarrassed).

Maybe I am"retarded", if by that he means me disassociating so often during day because what I'm going through, just to get by and make best out of taking care of our son every day, still isolated and being treated like shit.
Indeed I must be"retarded"because what else do you become living like this?

I was just a kid two-three years ago, I didn't have to be a parent at this age in these circumstances...I feel that doesn't matter to anyone at all.

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TimbuktuTimbuktu · 03/03/2018 13:14

How are you getting on op?

EmyRoo · 03/03/2018 06:42

What woman says is sadly true - that abusive men use the children as a means of continuing the control.

There is another organisation who might be able to give advice
rightsofwomen.org.uk

They give free legal advice to women in abusive relationships or difficult legal situations. The advice lines are closed just now because of the weather, but they hope to have them up again next week. They are staffed by qualified lawyers (they do this on a voluntary basis). It can take a while to get through, so you might need to keep trying. I recall I was able to leave a message and they called me at the next opening time, though.

There is a button at the top of the website so you can hide your tracks. Also be sure your partner is not tracking you on here.

If you are in Scotland, there is a separate Rights of Women advice line for Scotland.

Your first priority is to make sure you and your child are safe.

womanformallyknownaswoman · 03/03/2018 02:24

The immigration issues of the abusive ex are not your concern and to be honest it might be better that he did return home because often abusers carry on abuse after separation using the child as a weapon. It's very common.

But first things fist - get yourself and child to safety - ring Womensaid
Good luck - it's all work out in the end and there will be some disruption. But I recall a friend of mine saying she thought the day she went to a refuge was the most shameful day of her life and turns out to be the best decision she's made and the start of a while new great life for her

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