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Gendered Intelligence - advice please!

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Wanderingwomb · 01/03/2018 11:56

Anybody attended training with gendered intelligence? It is being suggested for an organisation I care about. I am looking at their website and I can't really tell a huge amount. Are there any alternative training organisations? My concerns in this particular instance would be about safeguarding vulnerable children, and whether this group was responsible in their handling of suicide stats, confidentiality, dangerous medication and sexual abuse.

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SuitedandBooted · 14/06/2018 16:19

I attended a session they ran over ten years ago. I can't recall any details but I do remember that they were very engaging and professional

And judging from this thread, proponents of the Pink Brain/Blue Brain fallacy, and totally unable to engage with well informed questions.

GibbertyFlibbert · 14/06/2018 15:49

I attended a session they ran over ten years ago. I can't recall any details but I do remember that they were very engaging and professional.

jgrobinson · 14/06/2018 15:33

I've just discovered that my employer has used Gendered Intelligence to train many of our staff. I suspect that this has influenced recent changes to our policies and procedures.

I would be most grateful if anyone has been to these workshops and could share information on what is being taught. Their website provides little detail, e.g.
genderedintelligence.co.uk/professionals/education

colouringinagain · 03/03/2018 00:41

Oh Jamie.....

BarrackerBarmer · 03/03/2018 00:32

Hi Jamie
Are you setting aside sufficient funding for when huge numbers of damaged children grow up and hold you legally liable for enforcing an "affirmation only' model which made their unnecessary transition inevitable?

Terfmore · 02/03/2018 23:30

I thought they're a charity but they're a Community Interest Company. They charge £80 an hour for mentoring plus travel expenses.
and there is no safeguarding policy that I can find.

miri1985 · 02/03/2018 21:00

Please tell me I'm not the only lover of music who started singing this when reading this thread

"Jamie is over and Jamie is gone,
Jamie's decided it's time to move on......"

HermioneWeasley · 02/03/2018 20:07

Oh darn it, I placemarked because I was dying to hear more from Jamie, who sounds super positive and cheery.

What a shame zee hasn’t been back.

Lefthanddown · 02/03/2018 18:52

Jamie
What advice would your organisation give to a lesbian who has been called transphobic because she doesn't want sex with an intact males who identifies as a lesbian?

Lefthanddown · 02/03/2018 18:39

It's gone 5 on a Friday evening, everybody in the office has gone home and can't help him answer your nasty questionsSmile

bookgirl1982 · 02/03/2018 18:09

I doubt Jamie will be back!

Datun · 02/03/2018 17:54

birdbandit

Never ceases to amaze me the misogynistic mistake they make of thinking women can't read!

birdbandit · 02/03/2018 17:43

Now Datun, you know the drill, you can't be using their own evidence from their website, or even what the poor fellow has said in your argument, that makes you the bad guy.

Badweekjustgotworse · 02/03/2018 17:43

Interesting that Jamie doesn’t seem to be available to answer any of the questions posed here. What’s the point in taking the time to post and then not engage?

KittiesInsane · 02/03/2018 17:39

Terfmore, I had a very similar conversation with DD except the child in question is a transboy:

me - "so Sally is a boy now?"
her - "yes but you mustn't say Sally! It's Sam now!"
me - "so what happens for PE?"
her - "he changes in the staff loos because, you know, boys and so on, it would be really awful..."

YippeeKiYayMelonFarmer · 02/03/2018 17:38

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Elletorro · 02/03/2018 17:34

We need to hold these organisations to account.

They are putting women and children in harms way.

They will cause women and children to self exclude from public life. I’m already beginning to get a frisson of fear in public toilets. The same feeling when you take the short cut through a secluded area in the dusk and you hold your keys in your hand.

How do we protect ourselves?

LangCleg · 02/03/2018 17:34

As an organisation, we take safe guarding extremely seriously.

Safe guarding of who exactly, Jamie?

I'm thinking of the safe guarding, dignity and privacy of adolescent girls. Do you take safe guarding for them seriously?

YippeeKiYayMelonFarmer · 02/03/2018 17:31

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Terfmore · 02/03/2018 17:30

Jamie -
I have a 14 year old daughter. Like lots of parents I was not aware of the extent of education about this issue until the topic came up in conversation.
It led to this conversation -
me "so a boy can simply choose to be a girl?"
her - "yes your so stupid of course"
me - "so what happens when you do PE? does he..."
her - "don't say he she's a she"
me - ".. she change with you and how does that feel?"
her - "she's a girl, it doesn't matter".

So - girls feelings do not matter. What is important is that boys are affirmed.

If you provide training and understand safeguarding you will have come across the idea of protective behaviours .i.e teaching children to recognise their feelings and to act on them as a way to protect themselves. What you are teaching undermines that.

Datun · 02/03/2018 17:29

I have every confidence that Jamie is highly unlikely to address any questions.

But, having him appear, and then refuse to answer highly pertinent questions, is always useful to demonstrate the lack of transparency and refusal to engage.

For all the lurkers, journalists and politicians who read these threads.

newtlover · 02/03/2018 17:28

it's friday afternoon, I guess

Datun · 02/03/2018 17:25

@JamieGenderedIntelligence

It says on your website, doesn't it, that Jay Stewart oversaw the science museum exhibition? Is that not the case?

I have two questions, if that's okay.

How do you make a distinction between gender dysphoria and autogynephilia?

And do you agree that homosexuality requires same-sex attraction?

birdbandit · 02/03/2018 17:22

This is one of those identity things, where perhaps Jamie identifies as representing an organisation which is breaking down gender stereotypes, despite his organisation promoting gender stereotypes and presenting a third option.

But hey, what's actions when how you feel about what you do matters most.

titchy · 02/03/2018 17:19

Jamieeeeeeeeee, helloooooo, are you theeeeeeeere.....