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Munroe Bergdorf for Grazia "Women Are Getting Feminism Wrong.

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HelenaDove · 27/02/2018 21:28

graziadaily.co.uk/life/opinion/munroe-bergdorf-women-getting-feminism-wrong/

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merrymouse · 28/02/2018 07:28

The thing that really frustrates me is ‘woke’ media supporting the idea that being female has anything to do with identity. For Bergdorf (and I assume anybody else who thinks you can be a ‘real’ woman or ‘just as good as any other woman’), to be female is to be accepted as a member of a club.

It’s as though we have regressed 100 years and you can either be a respectable lady defined by your virtue (‘proper’) or non existent.

EmpressOfJurisfiction · 28/02/2018 06:02

Welcome to the Blocked By LM Club, Expatmatt! Grin

expatmatt78 · 28/02/2018 05:40

Sorry tried to show photo/ been blocked by LM I feel kind of proud that I came across his radar it took me a week of peaking

expatmatt78 · 28/02/2018 05:39

Well it's finally happened

expatmatt78 · 28/02/2018 03:48

I mean I only read (past tense) for fun and fluff but this giving a platform to the dangerous I'll informed MB who appears to have a "fan base" is scary and dangerous

Alisvolatpropiis · 28/02/2018 03:39

That piece is the dictionary definition of mansplaining. Grazia’s dwindling readership numbers will dwindle further. Glamour magazine didn’t survive putting Juno Dawson in as a columnist, not even after removing him from the main magazine and only putting him online. Grazia won’t do well for putting this goady fucker in their magazine.

thebewilderness · 28/02/2018 02:58

www.feministcurrent.com/2018/02/27/munroe-bergdorf-like-please-keep-vaginas-feminism/
Meghan taking the piss.

AngryAttackKittens · 28/02/2018 01:51

This unpleasant, shallow narcissist is getting being a decent human being wrong, so...

Mouthandtrousersall · 28/02/2018 01:48

Still a bloke.

expatmatt78 · 28/02/2018 01:22

Sorry correction to "she spots" should have been "he spouts" (dont rant and type)

expatmatt78 · 28/02/2018 01:16

Its ridiculous but also scary - MB seems to have a strong platform where she spots any shit and the replies are "wow I never knew thanks for educating me" - for example that Suffragettes were not to be celebrated as they were "in fact" "White Supremacists" who deliberately denied black women the vote. This is becoming actual re writing of history, villainizing (actual) women who did and sacrificed so much.
Then at the same time as Grazia mag did this, a journo from Elle Magazine tweets to LM asking for an interview. WHAT IS GOING ON!!!
Then Corbyn recruits MB as well as LM. He is apparently going to be an advisor about women...
And I hadnt even SEEN the Jan issue of British Vogue with the cover "The New Suffragettes" which included Paris Lees!!
I am BEYOND Peaking right now. And I dont understand how more women are not aware what is going on.
I only started seeing it talked about on here, which lead me to Twitter (and starting my own account) and the recent article in the Independent about LM is so skewed that I suppose the MSM isnt even picking up on the fury that I see on Twitter.
I dont talk about this in RL but i sure wish I could start bringing other women I know to Peak.

thebewilderness · 28/02/2018 01:12

My favorite part was the claim that not all vaginas are pink, as though the hats were vagina symbols instead of women's solidarity symbols.

FYI vaginas are indeed pinkish, as are most organs in our body, what with the blood circulating and all.

Esker · 28/02/2018 01:07

What really pissed me off about TRAs claiming that certain language , symbols etc (like the pussy hat) are 'exclusionary' is that its an intellectually flawed statement. It is not an 'exclusionary' act to mention or discuss something in the presence of a person who does not possess that thing. If a group of women have a conversation about breastfeeding, that does not by definition 'exclude' a transman who may prefer to say that he is 'chestfeeding'. It's just using accurate language to describe what is happening.

This applies to all sorts of situations in which human experiences are inevitably different. If able bodied people discuss going for a walk in the presence of a wheelchair user, it is not 'exclusionary'. If wealthy people discuss a recent holiday in the presence of a less well off friend, that is not 'exclusionary'. On occasion, individuals may feel left out, annoyed or whatever, but that is part of the broad spectrum of human experience, and that does not mean that others are trying to diminish or deny you.

thebewilderness · 28/02/2018 01:07

Yes I am, BlindYeo. I misunderstood what you wrote..

thebewilderness · 28/02/2018 01:07

Men have tried for years to erase Black women and other WOC, as well as poor women from the Feminist movement, to pretend it was all white upper class women dissatisfied with their privileged existence. MRAs make the same argument to this day. Zombie lies never die because men never stop telling them.

BlindYeo · 28/02/2018 01:04

You're making the same point as me

thebewilderness · 28/02/2018 01:03

Sorry, BlindYeo, I got that bollixed up.

thebewilderness · 28/02/2018 01:02

The United Nations Commission on Human Rights which was founded February 16, 1946 will be astonished to hear that, BlindYeo.

BlindYeo · 28/02/2018 00:56

The UK has a proud history of campaigning for animal rights and welfare. Since long before the EU even existed. The concept of human rights wasn't invented in 1993 either.

LassWiADelicateAir · 28/02/2018 00:33

Derail but to be fair to the UK I understand UK standards for farm animals are higher than what is required under EU rules.

UpstartCrow · 28/02/2018 00:30

Inclusiveness when Munroe speaks and cries of 'white feminism' when we speak.

As for 'X company is ace because they do not test on animals'; Animal testing for cosmetics was banned in the EU decades ago. Thanks to a lot of protesting and petitioning.

Then people voted Brexit so tough shit. Thats gone now along with human rights protection.

NotTerfNorCis · 28/02/2018 00:09

These women do not see me as a ‘real woman’.

Mate, nobody sees you as a real woman, on account of the fact that you are male.

cista · 27/02/2018 23:59

Tbf, Monroe has pissed a lot of people off with her event Labour appointment. If you look at the Uk subs on a Reddit, they are all highly critical of this decision. Even the Labour sub isn't happy! This may turn out to work in our favour.

SaskiaRembrandtWasFramed · 27/02/2018 23:50

L'Oreal do not test on animals.

Munroe Bergdorf is a chippy mansplainer who appropriates the history and cultures of groups he has no connection with ... I think that's called colonisation, which is ironic considering Munroe is totes against colonisation.

EvilEdna1 · 27/02/2018 23:34

30% of L'Oréal is owned by Nestlé so not the pinnacle of ethically sound companies.

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