Munroe Bergdorf for Grazia "Women Are Getting Feminism Wrong.

Jack Monroe does my nut in in the way that a teenage daughter does your nut in. She's clearly quite vulnerable, says she is unwell, then releases a diatribe on twitter re Monroe. And she is surprised and hurt that she gets responses. Or 'a dogpile' as she put it. It really wasn't either, it was many feminists saying FFS Jack, get a grip.

I seriously want to shake her.

Then make her some soup and send her to bed with a hot water bottle.

@wigglybeezer - I was thinking today about Jack Monroe's vagina feminism comment and about how much of our lives are dominated by our reproductive systems.

Issues with periods, birth control, infertility, childbirth, fistulas, prolapses, menopause are a theme that runs through women's lives. And men have simply no idea. I didn't have any idea about a lot of them until I tried to conceive.

I would say about half the women I know well either would have lost their child or died in childbirth without medical intervention. I know a similar number whose bodies are irreparably damaged by it. And I had no idea before I was one of them.

And even those women who choose not to become mothers are impacted by this stuff.

We are not simply about our vaginas but they impact on pretty much every area of our lives.

Transplaining.FFS

I don’t think you could make The Thick of It these days. What used to be satire is now reality.

Yet again, everything has to be ALL ABOUT THEM. Not just a bit about a very small minority of people who consider themselves to be women, but all about them:
"for the day to be truly progressive, it should focus on elevating the voices and experiences of those who are most often silenced and ignored in society"

It was fitting to put the two, Toby and Monroe in the same discussion.

HA! Just watched the Daily Politics on iplayer, thanks for the headsup - what a car crash for both Therese Coffey about Toby Young and Barry Gardiner, who looked so relieved when Andrew Neil stopped haranguing him and turned to her!
It was like an episode of In the Thick of It - one hires a boob-obsessed twat to advise on education, the other one hires someone who says "suffragettes were white supremacists" to advise on women and equality.

Gwynfluff I was chatting to a friend today about "vagina issues" as I have an issue with a mild degree of bladder prolapse, apparently another two friends have much more serious problems than me but the mesh repairs aren't available on the NHS in our area, one of my friends could afford it done privately, the other has no chance, she's written to her MP about it. Can you imagine a bloke in his forties being told to put up with incontinence issues when a relatively inexpensive op could fix it! Not to mention the money TRAs would like spent on their "adjustments".

I bloody love Andrew Neill. Cutting through the BS. I felt almost sorry for Barry Gardiner trying to justify Dawn Butler's idiocy.

Oh gwyn for some reason your post has given me a funny idea. I've been putting off writing to Jeremy Corbyn with my membership cancellation, knowing full well he (or his minions) will dismiss my letter. I think the appointment of Bergdorf gives me a good reason to write to him about my vagina. There's rather a lot I would like to say about it, ranging from awful to great and everything in between.

If munroe has been born and socialised as a woman or had any knowledge of women’s history they’d implicitly get the vagina hats and why not mentioning vaginas is oppressive.

The biological oppression of women is centred on the vagina:

1. It’s barely named or mentioned - girls are still taught twee names for it, with no mention of the clitoris. My friends were aghast that I told my DDs the proper words.
2. The images most men (and women) will be exposed to will be pornographied views of the vagina/vulva which bear little resemblance to actual female genitalia
3. Some cultures still multilate female genitalia. Ditto being told we are dirty when we menstruate or not having access to sanitary ware
4. Women are left incontinent through poor vaginal birth experiences either due to poverty so there isn’t access to birth management but even in the West with women left to labour for a long time or the use of instruments in deliveries (it’s not a given the forceps should definitely be used in labours)

And so on and so forth.

Yes, nobody understands what they are rattling on about, even those who have the codebook.

They clearly don't know what's what either, as LM often shows us.

These people have been sold a lie and let down by mental health services, as well as society. The experiment has caused an almighty problem for society, it can't carry on.

It will pass over soon. It's all incoherent garbage. No one understands most of it, especially them.

Bergdorf is just thick, his only ability is to regurgitate word salad.

See also Lees. Paris.

oh god, it just gets worse and worse. Stop the planet, i want to get off.

Bergdorf is just thick, his only ability is to regurgitate word salad.
And pout a bit.

Such rampant in your face misogyny.

It's interesting, it's as if donning womanface takes the filters off. Most men know not to come out with shit like this unless they are card carrying MRAs.

Is it like the effect where fancy dress lowers inhibitions?
Or is it like where you can say things about "your group" that outsiders can't... And they see themselves as women so are totally comfortable with coming out with really nasty statements about women?

The timing of this piece with the appointment as an advisor to Labour is just a big fuck you to Labour women, isn't it, in the light of what's been going on lately?

LadyScience

The way the trans lobbyists have taken hold of the identity politics debate is maddening! MB writes in that piece as we all only have one identity and that has to mean the same thing to everyone who shares it - which is bollocks. I am a woman and British and English and Christian and a feminist and a wife and a friend and a daughter and a sister and a godmother and a swimmer and a reader and a cook and more - and I can be all of those things at any one time without contradiction and without anyone needing to tell me how to be a better version of any of them.

You don't get a pass on being a twat because one of your identities is with a group you think is oppressed.

Poor Barry. He clearly understood what a fiasco he was attempting to defend

TBF Labour's Brexit 'strategy' has given him loads of practice

"What makes a woman ‘a woman’ has no definitive answer, nor does it need one."

So we are indeed doing feminism wrong, by doing it at all.

No such thing as a woman therefore no need for feminism.

Case closed.

It will be on iPlayer. About twenty minutes in, just before PMQs start.

Poor Barry. He clearly understood what a fiasco he was attempting to defend.

Thank you Andrew Neil!

Is that on iPlaye?

Trying to Palm it off on a woman