Munroe Bergdorf for Grazia "Women Are Getting Feminism Wrong.

Would a list of feminist concerns help or hinder? So, feminism is about.... I'm thinking of why Munroe Bergdorf doesn't get to say feminism isn't about biology, for example.

Munroe is an ultra-privileged person. Not only brought up with male socialisation, Munroe comes from a solidly middle-to-upper-middle class home and received a selective education.

Munroe doesn't need to lecture other people on their "privilege". Munroe needs to reflect on their own.

(Also: I thought Munroe looked beautiful as a feminine male. Post FF surgery, Munroe now looks like one of those American women who got addicted to plastic surgery. I find this quite sad.)

Lived experience is valid where people only speak about their experience. Munroe is not qualified to talk about the vast majority of people's experience, and certainly not qualified to talk about feminism.

I can't remember where the article I read recently on here was, saying that the 9ld LGB groups lost momentum when they gained equal marriage, and are now funded and led mainly by middle aged white TIMs focussing on the trans agenda.

I do t understand how these appointments are being made. They aren’t of people who have a track record of political activism, of lobbying for anything really (apart from their own interest), industry experience, educational experience (ie lecturer, researcher etc).

Isn’t this the ‘lived experience’ ticket?

Lived experience being one of those entirely valid ideas that has been hijacked.

I do t understand how these appointments are being made. They aren’t of people who have a track record of political activism, of lobbying for anything really (apart from their own interest), industry experience, educational experience (ie lecturer, researcher etc). They come across as rather unsympathetic, aggressively one-trick pony people who have no interest in anyone who isn’t their trick pony - and to be honest, limited debate skills. They spout sexist and racist comments at will (no slap on the wrist) and are backed by (and possible encourage/enjoy the drama) faceless thugs who threaten and intimidate anyone who questions them.

Shouting the same well worn slogans over and over again isn’t debating. And sulking/crying/whinging is called out is hopeless.

We need intelligent grown ups in politics. Not bandwagon jumping trick ponies.

Andrew Neil just had a wee go at Labours Dawn Butler for appointing him as an advisor 👏

Women don't go to smear tests because of a sense of shame or awkwardness about their vaginas and vulvas (why don't we have words like willy?). Women like my beloved mum don't take symptoms to the doctors early enough. It cost her her fucking life. And this prick of a man thinks we should talk less about vaginas.

I don’t think talking out of your derrière counts.

Lol!

*Sophocles
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I've found the book really interesting so far, especially the chapter that extract is from - Creating Scarcity In An Online Economy Of Virtue.

I'd say it's definitely worth a read - for a middle aged woman such as myself who doesn't really know what the yoof is up to online it's helped me get a bit more of a handle on what's been going on and how we've ended up in this topsy turvy world of Trump & TAs.

Monroe has a white mum. With all their racist rants Christmas Day must be a bloody hoot at their house.

That's a really interesting paragraph, terry. I remember wanting to read that book when I read about it being published. Is it good?

The "pussy hats" were because Donald Trump talked about grabbing women by the pussy. Something a "feminist" should know, understand, and acknowledge.

People like Bergdorf have no concept of oppression centred around female bodies, though. They think pussy hats are women boasting about having vaginas.

Fekko We have to humour them most especially if they are male...

More recently they are arguing that trans identified males are just like Black women who are more like males than females. Are they ignorant of the racist history of that claim or do they just not care?

Eh? Why are they saying black women are more like men? I can barely follow most of the non logic but that is even more confusing that usual

Presumably we can't have the vagina monologues any more.

Yep www.salon.com/2015/01/15/womens_college_will_no_longer_perform_vagina_monologues_because_it_isnt_inclusive/

I read the first few paragraphs and had to stop.

Badly written

Completely unresearched

Ignorant.

The "pussy hats" were because Donald Trump talked about grabbing women by the pussy. Something a "feminist" should know, understand, and acknowledge.

Bergdorf is clearly stupid and narcissistic. An airhead.

And the writing (even if it's ghost written) is awful. Teeth gratingly bad.

Sounds like a bunch of self centred moody teens! And we have to humour them all now?

Fekko
They are teaching them pomo nonsense that each individual's subjective reality/identity is sacrosanct and all that matters, most especially if that reality/identity makes them oppressed.

Ive posted this before but it was on a thread that went pouf. It's from a really interesting book called Kill All Normies by Angela Nagle

The fact that women have hysterectomies, gynaecological problems, pcos, fertility problems etc is one of the reasons why biology is central to the experience of womanhood and why we need to be able to define and talk about it.

Ffs

We know who is a woman and who isn't.

That and PCOS, Sophocles, both things that can only happen to you if you're female but which are somehow supposed to prove that men can be women if they feel like it, and both being proposed as proving that based on the idea that woman = sexually appealing to men.

A lot of the arguments I see are just bloody stupid, ill-informed and rather ignorant. Not much debate or discussion.

What are they teaching kids these days? Shouty wins every argument?

I am at risk of becoming repetitive on this topic, but it sends me into a white hot fury when women who've had hysterectomies are held up by trans activists as the "gotcha!" to argue against the biological basis for what a woman is.

It is an atrocious act of woman hating nonsense to suggest that a woman who has had a hysterectomy is less of a woman, and it taps into the deepest, darkest, most horrible thoughts that those women have about themselves, and if any of these stupid, selfish children bothered to talk to such women, they would fucking well know that AND NOT DO IT.

Ack.

The pink pussy hat protestations are just ludicrous. My vulva isn't made of wool either, nor does it have ears, and yet somehow I'm still able to understand how the imagery applies to me.

She had this bizarre argument that feminists who centre the "vagina" somehow exclude women who had a hysterectomy (like her mum)

Does she think that a hysterectomy removes the vagina? Dear god that's stupid.

Maybe he is already here...