Can Pro-lifers be feminists?

*many people

Also,any people clearly stated they agree with the law as it stands. So finding out and aborting die to any ‘anomolies’ isn’t relevant to me, as a woman could legally have an abortion post 24 weeks as it stands for medical reasons.
To clarify, I disagree with abortion for ‘social reasons’ after 24 weeks.

I wouldn’t punish her. Just as I don’t punish people who break other laws.

How will you punish the women who abort a pregnancy past the 20 or 22 week time frame acceptable to you?
Are you aware that 20 weeks is the earliest point at which anomalies are tested for in the fetus?

I also strongly morally disagree with abortion as a form of contraception.
I know women who have had three, four, five abortions, and yes, I won’t lie, I do judge them for it.
Anyone can make a mistake, fall pregnant, have contraception that fails etc. They should absolutely have the right to have an abortion.
But after your fourth or fifth abortion that’s just fucking carelessness.
And don’t tell me that it doesn’t happen, because it does.

I support the law as it stands in Britain.
I strongly disagree with the law in ireland.
I agree that a woman should have a right to an abortion before the foetus is viable.
But there is no way on earth I can agree with a woman aborting a 39 week viable pregnancy. And don’t tell me, ‘not a lot of women would terminate a viable pregnancy that late.’ Good. And thank God the law is what it is in the U.K. to prevent the ones that would. If the foetus is not viable, they can legally have an abortion to term. As I said, I am in full agreement with the law on this one.
All this ‘forced birther’ Shit is just that... shit.
As a woman will have to give birth regardless, this argument doesn’t hold any water anyway.
I think most people are with me on this (both on this thread, and society as a whole) 8 week foetus? Not a viable baby, woman has a right to abort. 37 week viable foetus? No, that is a baby, with a right to live. You want it out of your body, fine, drink some pineapple juice or something to induce labour, but you shouldn’t be able to stop it’s heart just because, as you’d have to give birth anyway.
And if this kicks me out of the ‘feminism club’ then, oh well.

"Personally I prefer the foremost expert in their field regardless of the shape of their genitals."

How pleasant it is to be loftily above any trauma that might have been experienced by people to whom the shape of genitals is actually quite important because they've had horrific, traumatising experiences at the hands of people with genitals which shaped their socialisation, behaviour and attitudes.

In other words, it's not just about the genitals and if you believe it is, then you have never really listened and/ or understood what women say.

Surprise surprise.

I think we have to separate the sperm donor from men who might be in a position of political or medical authority.
There's a whole other debate about our laws and who gets to decide them, and it's clouding the essential debate about the sperm donor having a say or not.
I still believe the host / mother has to have the final say because it's her body, but the sexual abuser case is a rare complication that MIGHT allow for a woman to forfeit her rights. Male doctors and politicians is a red herring, as there are female of both who could overrule a woman's bodily autonomy.

How is it a cheap debating trick?

You think men shouldn’t have a say in whether or not a woman can have an abortion.

So no Male doctor should be signing off abortions. By your logic.

Again, if the woman is a sexual abuser, does she retain her rights, and if not does the minor have any say? This situation happened with a female teacher who became pregnant by a student. This specific situation opens up a can of worms regarding who should have a say in the pregnancy.

it is pointless trying to discuss things seriously when people try to score cheap debating tricks.

Bertrand. A doctor has to sign off that you should be allowed an abortion. Abortion in itself is illegal, the abortion act allowed exceptions.

So you don’t think any Male docs should be involved in signing off for women to have abortions.

I’ve never heard of anyone who thinks like that before.

No. But I think that men should not have a say in whether or not a woman should have an abortion.

Bertrand,

Do you exclusively see female doctors and surgeons?

Personally I prefer the foremost expert in their field regardless of the shape of their genitals.

If that’s your argument, why should anyone in the Uk take anything to do with what’s going on elsewhere in the world? Doesn’t affect us so nowt to do with us.

Bertrand. Are you meaning we sit in silos segregated depending on what issue is being discussed and aren’t allowed to have a view on anything that does not directly affect us?

I do not think women should be in a position to decide which men are deemed worthy of having prostate surgery and which aren't........

This is not just about the woman. It is also about the fetus. Why shouldn't other members of society have a voice in the debate about the interplay between the rights of a fetus and the rights of the woman carrying it?
To a lesser extent, it is also about the man who helped conceive the fetus.

Bertrand,

As I have pointed out many, many times on this thread, I do not accept that this is purely a woman doing something to her own body. I have, again, many times reiterated all the stakeholders in an abortion.

And, absolutely. In the same way as I would expect suitably expert women to have as much say on the guidelines and funding around prostate surgery as men. I just do not accept this division of society into two halves that you seem to embrace. We are all members of the same society.

Well how would you propose removing the rights of the men in parliament to vote for the laws Bertrand?

"Unless you want ‘man’ to take no responsibility for what happens (no male taxes to fund abortion, no male obstetricians etc etc), they have rights around formulating the laws."

Really? You reckon men should have a say in what a woman does to her own body or they don't pay their taxes?

Here's a strange situation...

A female sex offender gets pregnant via a minor. Should the minor or his family have a say in matters?

Bertrand,

Unless you want ‘man’ to take no responsibility for what happens (no male taxes to fund abortion, no male obstetricians etc etc), they have rights around formulating the laws.

Rights and responsibilities always go together.

I think men should have a say, but not necessarily a right to it. Ultimately because a woman is hosting the child, she HAS to have the final word. If she chooses to involve a man in decision making process, great, but that really depends on the specific relationship both parties have.

There are some exceptionally rare circumstances where the male could feel genuinely aggrieved that he has no say in the pregnancy, but those are very rare situations indeed.

*don’t