Can Pro-lifers be feminists?

Canada doesn't have a time limit on abortion but they don't have a huge number of women having abortions at a very late stage so I'm not at all convinced that removing the legal time limit would actually significantly increase the number of late term abortions. But "it wouldn't happen anyway" seems like a daft reason to change the law.

I'd also be fine with abortion on demand, period, because I trust women to generally make the best choice available in their specific circumstances. It's the very obvious lack of that trust and the ugly assumptions that are being made about other women's motivations and behavior that are on display in this thread that actually need examining, and that I'm calling out as being very clearly un-feminist.

kittens, emotive language isn't just being used by the anti-abortion people here. According to some posters, unless you agree with abortion on demand for any reason whatsoever then you are a "forced birther" and cannot be a feminist.

My personal position would be abortion on demand up till the point of viability, which is already well past the point where most abortions actually happen, and later term abortions for specific medical reasons

As is mine but that, according to some on here, makes me a forced birther.

So we should allow late abortions, because women don't want late abortions anyway?!! I can pretty much guarantee that if the period when an abortion is automatically allowed is moved to "anytime", there will be more late abortions.

It's interesting that you believe that. Why? Why do you think that a woman who wants an abortion would wait until, say, 32 weeks, rather than having her abortion within the first 13 weeks like most women do?

In Ireland a woman died a couple years ago because the doctors agreed with you. Srsly! They let her die rather than abort post viability despite the fact that the fetus was dead. Savita Halappanavar. Say her name

Do you seriously think anyone on here supported that? Had she been in the mainland UK it would not have happened.

A couple of blog posts which more or less sum up my feelings on abortion:

Only 9 months

I'm a civilian, not a ship's captain

I haven't promoted any position so far in this thread, Lass, other than that being dedicated to lecturing other women about how evil abortion is using highly emotive guilt-tripping language isn't feminist. My personal position would be abortion on demand up till the point of viability, which is already well past the point where most abortions actually happen, and later term abortions for specific medical reasons (which is pretty much the only scenario in which they actually happen) allowed and not shamed with the kind of "oh she just wanted to go on holiday" nonsense that's been happening in this thread.

Late term abortions are not something that women have for shits and giggles, or because they just don't want a baby. There's pretty much always a medical reason.

You can't live in a vacuum where male opinion has no influence.

You're telling us, mate.

It's possible to discuss where the legal limit should be set in terms of how many weeks and what's an achievable goal in that sense without all of the above attempts at emotional manipulation

But we aren't having that discussion. Anyone not agreeing with abortion to term is "pro-life"/" a forced birther".

I have said from the outset I support 24 weeks, the removal of the 2 doctor rule and the retention of no limit in exceptional circumstances. If that mainstream to liberal stance makes me a "forced birther" heaven help you changing the minds of anti abortion supporters.

She still has to undergo a birth anyway, so that’s irrelevant isn’t it?

Depends on the procedure used. If they use a dilation and evacuation, the foetus can be be removed in pieces via surgical instruments.

Yes it's a possible logical outcome. It is extremely unlikely to actually occur, to the point that it may never actually be requested.

Children are not the chattels of their parents, in the same way that women are not the chattels of their husbands anymore. Unborn children should not be yours to kill at whim, they are small humans who want to live just as much as you and I do.

I can't believe anyone thinks it's fine to have abortion at full term.
Or even post viabilty frankly
In Ireland a woman died a couple years ago because the doctors agreed with you. Srsly! They let her die rather than abort post viability despite the fact that the fetus was dead. Savita Halappanavar. Say her name.

So we should allow late abortions, because women don't want late abortions anyway?!!
I can pretty much guarantee that if the period when an abortion is automatically allowed is moved to "anytime", there will be more late abortions.

kittens I haven't seen anyone suggest that it would be common practice to have very late term abortions. Earlier you said it was possible to have a discussion about where the legal limits should be, but you don't want to discuss those limits. Saying "that wouldn't happen" doesn't answer the question, it dodges the question.

Wow, those advocating that a woman should be able to kill an unborn baby at 39 weeks because she would rather it didn't "walk the earth" are really helping me to move towards a more pro-life position. Really chilling stuff

I am not changing from where I started but that presumably makes me a "pro-lifer" or a "forced birther".

From there we've once again arrived at the point where pro-lifers are insisting that hordes of women are chomping at the bit just waiting for the opportunity to abort what was clearly a wanted pregnancy

No one is suggesting there are "hordes of women etc". You are the ones promoting an extreme position.The logical outcome of your extreme position is being pointed out.

No uterus no opinion, mybrilliantmistake.
That may be your belief but rest assured, doctors, judges and politicians of the male variety still have an opinion that counts and affects the lives of every woman.
You can't live in a vacuum where male opinion has no influence.

She still has to undergo a birth which she may not consent to

She still has to undergo a birth anyway, so that’s irrelevant isn’t it?

I can't believe anyone thinks it's fine to have abortion at full term.
Or even post viabilty frankly

Precisely, AssassinatedBeauty. From there we've once again arrived at the point where pro-lifers are insisting that hordes of women are chomping at the bit just waiting for the opportunity to abort what was clearly a wanted pregnancy or they'd have done something about it sooner a week before the expected delivery date because they don't want to lose out on the change to take advantage of their timeshare in Ibiza.

It takes a fairly staggering level of misogyny, internalized or otherwise, to believe that this is a thing that lots of women would do.

Wow, those advocating that a woman should be able to kill an unborn baby at 39 weeks because she would rather it didn't "walk the earth" are really helping me to move towards a more pro-life position. Really chilling stuff.
Whereas for me the people advocating that women should produce human resources or die trying creep me right the eff out.

an adopted person has the right to know who the birth parents are

So what? The parent has no legal obligation to have any contact with the child.

Do you think that there would be anyone who would actually seek an abortion at 39 weeks? For non-life threatening reasons? It's a theoretical answer to a theoretical question that was asked and an answer demanded.

It was said that to be a feminist you must believe in bodily autonomy- clearly in law there are cases where you don't have autonomy, and I don't believe you should either.
See where you switched from the Feminist tenet of bodily autonomy for women to law denying bodily auronomy? I did.