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Children being read stories by Drag Queens on World Book Day

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AssignedPuuurfectAtBirth · 26/02/2018 14:47

One of whom refers to himself as "Bristol’s Resident Slag".

WTF now?

www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/parents-anger-over-drag-queens-1254111

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Elocutioner · 26/02/2018 18:30

It depends how they are dressed. Kids love a bit of glitz and glamour. I highly doubt they'll have their tits out

BlindYeo · 26/02/2018 18:29

It goes to show how normalised this hypersexualised stereotyped womanface is that a headteacher would make this decision.

I mean I agree the kids will all survive it no problem. In exactly the same way they would if the black and white minstrels showed up and did a turn.

shedalight · 26/02/2018 18:26

Lass
I read it that they 'own' drag queenism and see women attempting to 'reclaim' it as cultural appropriation?

I noted this comment:
cis women calling themselves “drag queens” can have a damaging effect on the legitimacy of the movement. Grin

The only antidote to this level of batshittery is humour and [wine}

TinklyLittleLaugh · 26/02/2018 18:26

And what Joy said. No way would they have a drag king with a huge padded crotch reading to kids.

Elocutioner · 26/02/2018 18:24

I would have thought that men dressing in dresses and wigs would fit perfectly with the non gender conforming message that a lot of children today are getting. I certainly want my children to be around men and women of all makes and models so that it really hits home that you can be what you want to be.

I wouldn't have any issue with it, unless they were performing a sexualised routine (which I bet they're not)

TinklyLittleLaugh · 26/02/2018 18:23

That link Shed put up is unbelievable. Like one of the Black and White Minstrels accusing a singing black guy of culturally appropriating them.

OldCrone · 26/02/2018 18:21

upsideup
Because having black skin has everything to do with being black.
Wearing a dress has nothing to do with being a woman.

So does this mean that in your view drag queens are not parodies of women? If which case, what are they?

joystir59 · 26/02/2018 18:19

Why not have drag kingsreading storytime in school. Instead of exaggerated breasts hair and make up they would have their breasts bound and be 'packing' plastic male genitalia. Either image isn't very positive for girls is it?

LassWiADelicateAir · 26/02/2018 18:19

FFS _ Peak drag queen moment!!

www.theodysseyonline.com/why-cis-female-drag-queens-are-form-of-cultural-appropriation

Some people have zero sense of irony

They are complaining about women being too glamourous and feminine?

joystir59 · 26/02/2018 18:15

Drag queens parody womanhood and may not be the most empowering role model for girls

Fekko · 26/02/2018 18:13

DS always has a thing about people dressing up when he was quite little.

He took it as they were lying (very naughty) and would argue with them. He once took exception to a man in the street handing out leaflets dressed as a banana advertising a new cafe ‘you’re not a banana!’ and the yoyo bear getting off a bus ‘you’re not the yo bear!’. And Charles Darwin in the natural history museum ‘you’re not Charles darwin!’, Mary Anning (sane museum) ‘you lady - noooooo’ - you get the picture. The drag queen wouldn’t stand a chance.

nauticant · 26/02/2018 18:09

If the main female character was called Widow Wanky and dressed like a hooker, I'd imagine a fair number of people would choose not to take their kids along.

ALunerExplorer · 26/02/2018 18:07

So I would imagine that nobody here has ever taken their kids to the pantomime then?

Fekko · 26/02/2018 18:06

DS is going to a character themed party in a couple of weeks. I had to go shopping for him - looking for a dress for his character which amused me no end (he’s quite a sporty muscly and rather hairy lad).

shedalight · 26/02/2018 18:01

FFS _ Peak drag queen moment!!

www.theodysseyonline.com/why-cis-female-drag-queens-are-form-of-cultural-appropriation

Some people have zero sense of irony.

thebewilderness · 26/02/2018 17:57

Woman is a costume that men like to wear and perform sometimes. Misogyny needs to be taught early and often.
8th rule of misogyny: Men are whatever men say they are and women are whatever men say they are.

shedalight · 26/02/2018 17:56

TeachesofPeaches
The issue is it's in a school.

I don't expect schools to present crude representations in this way. I object and I note that the parents who objected in this school were told to take an unauthorised absence! I look forward to the school celebrating other values by getting people to read to children who don't offensively misrepresent what a woman is.

TeachesOfPeaches · 26/02/2018 17:45

I went to a children's event at the Museum of London and some drag artists did an age appropriate performance which the children enjoyed. Not sure what the issue is?

youngnomore · 26/02/2018 17:45

Shedalight. Exactly

shedalight · 26/02/2018 17:40

upsidedown
But they're dressing and impersonating women for entertainment. It's not just the clothes, it's the fake breasts, the voice, sterotypical mannerisms, over sexualised behaviour ?

As I said upthread - this is not the feminist hill that I'm going to die on. There are a myriad of ways to promote kindness and tolerance and understanding and presenting men dressed as grotesque parodies of women is not one that in a million years I would ever recommend for little children.

Datun · 26/02/2018 17:37

So no one can see the connection in hyper sexualised men in dresses telling children that if they see hyper sexualised men in dresses in their private spaces, they can't say anything because it could be construed as a hate crime?

Or grooming, in other words.

AssassinatedBeauty · 26/02/2018 17:37

It's not simply "non-conformist". It's the hyper-stylised, sexualised parody of a stereotypical feminine woman. Have a look at the pictures on their Facebook page and see if you think they are dressed as female characters from storybooks, or not.

It would be great to have lots of different people dressed in lots of different ways. This isn't that.

ThatsWotSheSaid · 26/02/2018 17:28

I think it looks fun. The ‘drag queens’ are larger than life characters that demonstrate non conformism in a cool fun way. I’m sure they aren’t doing jokes about being slags or anything ‘adult’. They should women dressed in non conforming ways too.

upsideup · 26/02/2018 17:27

shedalight

Because having black skin has everything to do with being black.
Wearing a dress has nothing to do with being a woman.

nauticant · 26/02/2018 17:26

It's bizarre. Any other situation involving safeguarding you'd think those responsible would say "let's just apply some common sense, and if there's a sense of anything dodgy, we won't go ahead".

But once there's a trans aspect, no, it is forbidden to apply common sense. The only option is to charge ahead believing that all must go well.

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