This is what Helen from Mermaids writes about MN feminist posters

Didn’t someone else try that. I suspect this would backfire.

So they're now applying pressure to Mumsnet sponsors to cut ties with them and "stop funding hate".

Interesting.

I wonder how long Justine will hold out.

The research already done on Lupron (though more needs to be done) doesn't look that good.

I know, but they disregard that as it was not done on 'transkids', yet block any research as it is transphobic! You would think that transactivists would want as much research as possible to go into all things trans, so as to find out how best to treat these people. But seemingly, they don't, there must be a reason for this.

Mind, even if proper research was done that conclusively proved that Lupron was dangerous and should not be used, it would be countered with 'the risks are worth it, as without it the child will kill itself'. Like, where were all of these suicidal kids 10 years ago when this was not a treatment regime/ Surely they would still have been suicidal then? How come, if 50% of transkids attempt suicide, there are not actual figures for this. Only self selecting surveys, manipulated beyond belief? So dangerous, the way they misuse suicide stats to try and shut up dissenting voices, and smear anyone concerned about the actual health of the children as transphobes.

Re mermaids and AG I think it's the elephant in the room that they avoid talking about by "focusing" on trans children

YY. Trans kids are so important to the cause as it "proves" that trans is innate, and can't be a fetish because kids are trans.

The Yorkshire Evening Post broke my heart and made me want to throw things. Jackie has been failed by her mum and all the adults around her .

My mother started saying that me and my sibling were 'the wrong sex' when I was 9 and my sibling was 6. The memory of it, is one of my clearest and most vivid. I was playing with cars and he was playing with dolls at the time.

Is it really that strange that my sibling now says they have always known they were the wrong sex and they have known it from an early age? They transitioned in their late twenties after a family friend did so a couple of years earlier.

I could tell you the story of that family too. We all grew up together. Its not a shocker.

Part of me would like to believe that its just me being bitter and is an anecdote which just fits the narrative. The other part of me, fears both our families really do fit into a pattern.

Neither options are great for me on a personal level. Me being bitter would be better for others.

Quite an interesting insight into the rigid thinking, though. A website called Mumsnet can obviously only be used by mothers and ideally only mothers who don't work outside the home because the others aren't really mums.

@TheGoalIsToStayOutOfTheHole

The research already done on Lupron (though more needs to be done) doesn't look that good.

I'd certainly suggest calling it "not dangerous" was naive at best.

Based on the data available now, I can't understand why it's being given to children as adverse effects on bone density in adults are known.

Most info comes from children who were treated for precocious puberty. This treatment was then co-opted by trans "supportive" medical professionals but there is doubt as to whether it should even have been licensed for precocious puberty. It's also worth noting the drugs label denotes usages before the ages of 8/9 years for female/male children respectively. The drug is routinely prescribed for children significantly older.

https://www.statnews.com/2017/02/02/lupron-puberty-children-health-problems/

AbbVie Inc., the company that now makes the drug, said Lupron safety studies were submitted to the FDA before it approved the medication for Central Precocious Puberty in 1993. The drug’s label defines the condition as the onset of sexual characteristics before age 8 in girls and before 9 in boys.

“Uses beyond those contained in the approved label are considered unapproved uses,” company spokesman Morry Smulevitz said in an email.

Federal records show that the FDA official who led the drug approval process two decades ago was troubled by the two studies he reviewed. In a 1993 letter obtained under the Freedom of Information Act, former FDA medical officer Dr. Alexander Fleming wrote in a memo for the drug approval file that it was “regrettable” that the panel approved the drug after minimal study.

I thought we were bored SAHM who were misusing our degrees and that was why we couldn't voice our opinions? Are people who don't have DC not allowed to have any opinions either?

I don't quite get her thing tbh, normally the parents of trans-identified children are very gung ho about publicising their kids, but she's making out it's all some sort of secret (albeit retrospectively having already revealed all) and her child is at risk

She's really not very good at covering her tracks, seeing as she's supposedly super-secret about having a trans child, she splashed all the details of her divorce on the internet using the same username as for her super-top-secret trans child.

Helen is complaining now that people are on here who don't have children.

How terrible that a large forum with many sections that are not about kids, has childless people on it. How horrific. There are also MEN on here. And trans people. Get Helen some vapours, shes going to need them.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g

Yes, that bit stood out for me. They did their best to stop him playing with girls' toys!

It makes me horribly uncomfortable. Because of the damaging ignorance over how gender stereotyping works.

Helen is complaining now that people are on here who don't have children.

Thick or what.

twitter.com/mimmymum/status/968119477295566850

PS This is obviously why they've really got it in for Lily Maynard. IIRC, her daughter decided she was trans in her early teens, a few months after coming out as gay, and at a time when many of her friends were also starting to identify as GNC or trans. Lily talked to her daughter at length about the whole issue. She kept communication channels open but refused to use her daughter's new name or pronouns. Within a few months her daughter had come to the conclusion that the whole thing was a mistake and it would be OK to be a gay woman, it didn't really mean she was a man.

Now, of course, that doesn't suit the TRAs at all. They have to dismiss cases like that as 'well, they weren't really trans at all' or (despicably) suggest that parents like Lily are putting their children's lives at risk and forcing them to suppress their true identities because of the parents' hateful bigotry.

That YEP article - dear me. I was struck by the same bit - why didn't you discourage your son from playing with dolls? Oh, but we did try, we took them all away and that made him miserable so then I realised that my 4yo knew better than I did and he had indeed been born in the wrong body! For god's sake, woman, why not just let him play with whatever he likes and dress how he likes, and not make him feel that he's a failure and a disappointment, which is what I'm guessing is what happens with a lot of these cases. She and her husband wanted a boy who fitted all the stereotypes. They went on to have three more boys, who presumably weren't GNC. I note his parents split up along the way. I wonder if he felt he was partly responsible. I feel desperately sorry for these kids. How could he make an informed decision about any of this at such a young age?

I don't think it's public what Helen has done wrt to transitioning her child (FTM) - though I have seen her state on Twitter that puberty blockers are not dangerous and she rejects the notion of ROGD and presumably social contagion.

She has to believe puberty blockers are not dangerous, given she put her own child on them. Acknowledging that those saying the side effects mean they should not be used in this way have a point, would be admitting that she potentially gave her child lifelong medical complications due to being given false advice by a trans pressure group (mermaids). I would hate to be in her position so do understand her attacking anyone with an opposing view. As someone else said upthread.

Shes a bit, between a rock and a hard place. Even if the research gets done into long term effects of puberty blockers (it has to at some stage, surely, transactivists cannot block it forever) on small children, she will continue to say that they are harmless, otherwise she is admitting she potentially harmed her child, because they followed the incorrect sex stereotypes

@Datun

Re mermaids and AG I think it's the elephant in the room that they avoid talking about by "focusing" on trans children.

I've not seen anything in their website or SM that talks about this aspect of transitioning "motivation" at all.

Their mantra seems solely fixated on "I'm in the wrong body" and "children are at risk of suicide" if you don't wholeheartedly commit to supporting their "trans journey".

Somedyke, it is frighteningly silly that there is an opinion which makes women's clothing somehow exempt, that there are no men who develop an arousal response to wearing them.

When it comes to autogynephilia, and people supposedly 'not knowing their own mind', refer people to Anne Lawrence:
www.annelawrence.com/
Who is an autogynephilic transsexual, a now retired psychologist. And seems to write about the AGP side in a way that the 'I've a female brain' proponents probably hate. Several scientific articles and books linked to on the website, as well as several online articles.

Fairy I did say on another thread possibly using a different name that my GP wouldn't continue to prescribe me HRT as she said 6 years was already too long.

But forever is OK for kids.
Tragic

Point still stand though.

Sorry, got them mixed up!

@birdbandit

It's Susie Green (CEO Mermaids) who flew her child abroad for surgical sex reassignment.

I don't think it's public what Helen has done wrt to transitioning her child (FTM) - though I have seen her state on Twitter that puberty blockers are not dangerous and she rejects the notion of ROGD and presumably social contagion.

Interesting to note however that as far as I can tell both Susie and Helen are based in the Leeds area so maybe/possibly an element of local social reinforcement going on - who knows?

Anyone who is so entrenched in their ideology that they believe sterilising kids is the correct and best thing to do, is not going to swayed by an opposing POV.

She has to attack us, because she cannot for a moment doubt her own ideology; because of what she has done to her own child.

Can you imagine being her? It must be hellish. She can't afford to doubt.