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This is what Helen from Mermaids writes about MN feminist posters

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AssignedPuuurfectAtBirth · 25/02/2018 12:05

"If you’re a Mum and on mn that often to have time to engage with ‘feminist’ forums, you’re more likely to be a ‘stay at home mum’. These are bored middle-class women putting their privileged Uni-educated thoughts to oppressing a small, vulnerable, oppressed sector of society"

Nice bit of sexism going on there

twitter.com/mimmymum/status/967731110322036736

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Nuffaluff · 25/02/2018 12:39

For those posting how many degrees you’ve got on here, I think that’s what she’s criticising us for. Being uni-educated, not uneducated. Means we’re privileged apparently. Being educated is now a bad thing. Perhaps she didn’t go to university, so knows better.
I am from a working class background, went to university. Luckily it was at a time when I received a full grant. I had no financial support from parents, but had to get loans and work while I studied.
I also work too now. Not that there’s anything wrong with being a SAHM.

holycheeseplant · 25/02/2018 12:39

And women mustn't be educated cos then they'd be able to have opinions backed by research and analytical though.

Follyfoot · 25/02/2018 12:37

I cant take anyone who wears 2 jammy dodgers as a bikini top seriously.

LinoleumBlownapart · 25/02/2018 12:35

Women with opinions must be silenced with insults, always have been, always will be.

Same old misogyny, different outfit.

TerfyMcTerface · 25/02/2018 12:35

Love the idea that education = oppression. I have theee degrees. I guess that makes me Hitler.

holycheeseplant · 25/02/2018 12:35

There there wimmin, you're all just feeling a bit hormonal. Have another digestive and carry on with your threads on knitting, menopause and parking issues.

The sexist, mysoginistic attitude that WOMEN mustn't have their own, well educated, well reasoned and thought through views and opinions and be able to discuss them - and we don't always agree with each other (but don't shout bigot n block) is, well, oh so familiar... I wonder from where? 🤔

ps nc, like children who get more done when dressed as batman, I get a bit more ranty under this name

Frombothsidesnow · 25/02/2018 12:34

I find the insult of 'Uni-educated' the most troubling bit. Just more of the very damaging anti-intellectualism of our current society, peddling the idea that those with degrees don't understand 'real people'. A degree doesn't make you anything 'other'. It doesn't necessarily make you more intelligent than someone without one, but a decent university education should equip you with analytical skills and the ability to weigh sources of information and come to your own conclusions. That sort of thinking is what worries populists, and Mermaids appears to be that sort of organisation. Along with too many others IMO.

LadyLance · 25/02/2018 12:32

Not a mum- I post on mumsnet because it is one of the few forums with a genuinely feminine perspective on issues I care about, as well as a supportive atmosphere when looking for help in other areas.

I guess I'm middle class though.

I'm currently in the process of changing careers.

Can we report her to the police for a hate crime against women Wink

Nuffaluff · 25/02/2018 12:28

I’m surprised she didn’t accuse us all of being white as well. That’s usually in there.

Datun · 25/02/2018 12:28

Same old familiar misogyny.

We'll quite.

If you're claiming that transgender rights should impact those of women, it's not very smart to slag off potentially 12 million women who are on a forum where it's being debated.

Then add a not so veiled threat about your mobile phone privacy being breached!!!

HerFemaleness · 25/02/2018 12:28

In other words, don't listen to us or treat our concerns seriously because we're just a bunch of bored middle class mummy's. Oh no, trans activism isn't misogynistic AT ALL Hmm

Wanderingwomb · 25/02/2018 12:23

Same old familiar misogyny.

mooncuplanding · 25/02/2018 12:23

How rude about SAHM 😱😱

Why would their opinion be worth any less than the TIM's?

I don't think anyone should justify or defend their economic status to that wanker

Datun · 25/02/2018 12:23

You'd think, wouldn't you, that if they had even the smallest argument, they would come on here and put it forward.

But nope.

Bindibot · 25/02/2018 12:22

Just in case they’re watching

Not a Mum
Work full time
Working class
Have 2 degrees
Bored, ok there’s fuck all on TV, just finished my book, not physically able to do the DIY, can’t be arsed to do the washing up, so guilty there

whoputthecatout · 25/02/2018 12:22

Yeah. I'm stay at home on account of the fact that I have just retired after 50 years of full time work (while raising a couple of kids).

Actually, I am quite cheered that we are being sneered at by the likes of Mermaids. Who the hell would want praise from her? If we got praise it would show we were doing something seriously wrong.

Cheers Helen!

NotTerfNorCis · 25/02/2018 12:22

Incidentally, the terf leaders who use Transphobe Central™ to disseminate/'educate' (brainwash)/inflame their followers, (fairer place/tt etc) are listed as partners on 'Hands Across the Aisle', an evangelical/hard right wing/terf alliance started last year.

Informed debate is brainwashing now. Confused As for Hands Across the Aisle, never heard of it.

UpstartCrow · 25/02/2018 12:22

Wait, are people 'being paranoid' or not?

This is what Helen from Mermaids writes about MN feminist posters
This is what Helen from Mermaids writes about MN feminist posters
Datun · 25/02/2018 12:21

And apart from anything else, aren't middle-class stay at home mothers afforded the same rights as all woman?

Where does that bit of classist nonsense come from?

Ekphrasis · 25/02/2018 12:19

Oh and apparently mn is the only and first place we've come across trans people.

Nope and nope. Lots of experience pre children, and pre mn. Just the only place the wider debate is actually debated.

AssignedPuuurfectAtBirth · 25/02/2018 12:18

Hahaha

It gets better:

"Mumsnet (specifically the womens_rights boards are quite literally Transphobe Central™. It's the social media site with a radical extremist problem that nobody ever talks about."

twitter.com/aliwilkin/status/967728545110818816

Mumsnet - the ISIS for transphobes!

Fuck sake, call in the Met, Mumsnet fems are radicalising women everywhere

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Datun · 25/02/2018 12:17

It's extremely telling quite how many people make the misogynist mistake of assuming that mumsnet is full of boring, innane women.

Particularly when you consider that there are twelve million of us.

I expect all the judges, politicians, authors, actors, royalty, lawyers, physicists, endocrinologists, journalists, gender identity experts, trans-people, doctors, midwives and engineers who post on here all see that for the laughable attitude it is.

And it's quite extraordinary to imagine that this is the first place people will encounter trans people.

When very many people post on here, precisely because they know trans people. Or are trans people!

Still, any time someone mentions MN in a derogatory way, more people flock here and join the debate.

The only debate. And the largest.

You couldn't pay for advertising as effective as that.

StealthPolarBear · 25/02/2018 12:17

Actually not lol. It'd be funny if it wasn't actually happening

StealthPolarBear · 25/02/2018 12:16

Lol lovetheway

Floisme · 25/02/2018 12:15

I hope that comment spreads far and wide, that people take screenshots and that it's quoted back at her forevermore.
It reveals far more and Helen - and, if tweeting in an official capacity, Mermaids too - than it does about anyone else.

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