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This is what Helen from Mermaids writes about MN feminist posters

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AssignedPuuurfectAtBirth · 25/02/2018 12:05

"If you’re a Mum and on mn that often to have time to engage with ‘feminist’ forums, you’re more likely to be a ‘stay at home mum’. These are bored middle-class women putting their privileged Uni-educated thoughts to oppressing a small, vulnerable, oppressed sector of society"

Nice bit of sexism going on there

twitter.com/mimmymum/status/967731110322036736

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MrsOvarall · 25/02/2018 13:01

Wow! Really showing your true colours there, Mermaids!

Informed discussion on MN FWR flies under the radar because people like Susie Green dismiss and belittle us as irrelevant mummies.

It's unwise to attack a group of people with legitimate concerns about the off label use of puberty blockers and pathway to sterilisation of healthy gay kids. And well founded worries about predatory non trans males using self ID to access single sex female spaces.

Susie is publicising these boards. Anyone who comes here can make up their own minds. The evidence, research and statistics overwhelmingly urge caution. They do not support Mermaids' approach IMO.

MN quite rightly deletes anything even approaching hatred and transphobia. I would not post here if they didn't.

SophoclesTheFox · 25/02/2018 13:00

And also, for the record, I am not a mother, not staying at home, not bored and frequently don't have the time to be here. I will cop to being uni-educated, though I'm not quite sure why that disqualifies me from having an opinion.

The misogyny just shines through. Eurgh, mothers, eurgh, boring, eurgh, all they know about is nappies and bedtime, eurgh. Grow up, kid. Grow up.

UpstartCrow · 25/02/2018 12:58

holycheeseplant Unless your hubby okayed that comment you should probably ask MN to delete it and go apologise to him.

turnipfarmers · 25/02/2018 12:58

My child in year 7 is expected to produce arguments with more structure, justification, and explanation than that in each sentence in the essays they write.

holycheeseplant · 25/02/2018 12:56

It appears to be actually impossible for any of those tweeters to comment without being sexist or mysoginistic.

Which says buckets about the entire ideology really.

SophoclesTheFox · 25/02/2018 12:56

Exactly, queen. It's one of the many, many elements of being a woman that is seemingly beneath contempt for your average transactivist.

Despite it being something that millions of women do, and are. It's never about identifying your way into wifework, is it? It's never about demanding the right to be expected to know how to lift a wee stain out of the carpet, or to remember their partner's sister's birthday or when the cat needs wormed.

I've never seen a TRA demand a pay cut, either.

Weird, eh.

UpstartCrow · 25/02/2018 12:56

Reading things you write on social media is stalking now?

LastGirlOnTheLeft · 25/02/2018 12:55

Hang on, is that a TiM claiming credit for other men's inventions? So they accept they ARE men, after all? Good good....and I take it these men will also like to share the blame for all the evil that men commit too, in that case? If they want to share the credit, they can also share the blame, so I'm sure they understand now why women do not want ANY men in our spaces!

AssignedPuuurfectAtBirth · 25/02/2018 12:55

Uh oh

Helen is slagging me off for 'stalking' her.

twitter.com/mimmymum/status/967739982139019264

"OMG it’s hilarious! In case there was any doubt that Mumsnet TERFs are stalking me on social media, they’ve just posted a new MN topic about my tweet! 😳😂 (waves at ‘AsignedPuuurfectAtBirth’👋🏻 Hope you’re having fun screenshotting my tweets?😆)"

Likewise, sweetie. Now, how did you find this?

This one is particularly good:

"As parents, you’d think they’d have better things to do with their time. The ones that work full time should surely be enjoying a bit of family time. I’d love to hear what their kids and husbands think (assuming men aren’t allowed in MumsNet)."

Says Diane.

twitter.com/DianeJones64/status/967741230628163585

Might have to start on the Gin early, Diane love. Having way too much fun. Guess it's cornflakes for the kids and DH. And no lavvies getting cleaned in this house today

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Todayissunny · 25/02/2018 12:55

Whether a sahm or paying someone else to look after your kids it's still usually women that do the childcare stuff anyway.

Are you boring and bored if you are one of the many people paid to look after kids?

UpstartCrow · 25/02/2018 12:54

Have I been brainwashed?
I suppose if one of you did accidentally on purpose brainwash me I wouldn't remember you doing it, would I.

WiseOldHag · 25/02/2018 12:54

"If you’re a Mum and on mn that often to have time to engage with ‘feminist’ forums, you’re more likely to be a stay at home mum. These are bored- middle-class - women putting their privileged -Uni-educated thoughts to oppressing a small, vulnerable, oppressed sector of society"

"Mum" ? - yes - though not on MN because I have time on my hands - my children have grown up and left the nest. I'm here because it is the only place on the internet where discussion is allowed about concerns over this subject.

"bored"? - no - (I have a career to keep my mind busy)

"middle class"? - no - manual labourer father, state school education, Labour Party member.

"Woman"? - yes - definitely. Had a DNA test - it shows I have XX chromosomes. Oh - and I have a womb, ovaries, a vagina, and have given birth a few times. When I was a child I was a Girl.

"Privileged" ? - Yes - I have a roof over my head and food on the table. That's not something everyone has in the UK today.

"Uni-educated" ? - Yes - I have a degree, & two post-graduate degrees, and am a chartered professional twice over in unrelated disciplines.

"oppressing a small, vulnerable, oppressed sector of society" - no - these are very dangerous people with a voice and influence our of all proportion to their numbers.

TammySwansonTwo · 25/02/2018 12:53

Well I am a Mum and I do stay at home I suppose... except I’m working, taking care of twins, one of whom has a disability, and coping with three debilitating conditions myself (two of which appear to be triggered by a drug now being pushed as harmless puberty blockers on to developing children).

Clearly I’m just bored because of aaaaaall this free time I have.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 25/02/2018 12:53

but I suppose those individuals claim to represent will feel vindicated... So much for an expensive education!

but I suppose those individuals who claim to represent a whole community will feel vindicated...

AstraiaLiberty · 25/02/2018 12:52

Also not a mum
Very working class
Occasionally bored. Not by feminist discussion on MN, though.
Don't like or have any cats
I do have a degree, but I was almost thirty when I started it. It doesn't make me privileged.

I don't think that being a middle-class SAHM would make my views any more or less valid, though. I'm just irritated by Helen's lazy stereotyping.

holycheeseplant · 25/02/2018 12:52

Apparently we are supposed to be enjoying 'family time'.

Women should just shut up.

Collidascope · 25/02/2018 12:51

Aren't most of us trans anyway, according to Mermaids' terminology? They wanna watch out. Soon we'll be infiltrating their movement, accusing them of having trans privilege for obviously being trans while we are constantly called cis, and rendering their words meaningless (though of course most of them already are).

CuriousaboutSamphire · 25/02/2018 12:51

Well...

Also not a mum
Also know a couple of transgendered people and a few gender fluid, have done since about 1980, nothing new there!
Full time employment, forever
Middle class by today's standards, from a very working class family
Do have degrees, done as an adult, supported by husband, as I supported him through his
Bored... not really, just taking a break from working - something you have to do at weekends when self employed (or teacher, as I used to be)

And none of the weirdly twisted bollocks posted on that twitter feed applies to me, nor makes much sense really!

I think I am way past Peak Trans and am now descending into Ineffably Sad.

Such selfish tripe will do untold harm to many people, but I suppose those individuals claim to represent will feel vindicated... even if none of the trans people I know will be any less horrified than I am!

AssignedPuuurfectAtBirth · 25/02/2018 12:48

She posted as Helensomething for a bit too barracker

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AssignedPuuurfectAtBirth · 25/02/2018 12:47

Sunset

I am blocked too but if you put her handle into a private/incognito window, you can see all.

It's a wonder how us tech-ignorant wimmen would know such a thing though. Warning: they do write a pile of unmitigated shite though. I'm only looking because there are lavvies to be cleaned

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QueenLaBeefah · 25/02/2018 12:46

Yeah, SAHMs might break into a sweat and all the makeup would melt off so we can't have that.

AssignedPuuurfectAtBirth · 25/02/2018 12:43

Quite Queen. SAHMs really are the scum of the earth according to them. Wiping up bums and puke and cleaning lavs. Who the fuck would want to do that? You could break a nail doing that and then how would anyone know that we are real ladies?

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BarrackerBarmer · 25/02/2018 12:43

I could have sworn 'mimmymum' used to post on here but I can't seem to find any posts using search. Have I imagined this?

SunsetBeetch · 25/02/2018 12:42

I'm blocked by her. Never even interacted with her and my Twitter @ is different from my mumsnet username. Cowardly gobshite, the lot of them.

QueenLaBeefah · 25/02/2018 12:40

More evidence that the trans agenda is really about makeup and clothes as they seem to sneer at the grunt work a lot of women do everyday.