Evidence of misandry on Feminist chat.

I didn't realise men were so hopeless that they would be prepared to stand back and see women be abused and murdered because their feelings have been hurt at being lumped in with the 'errant 1%'.

If they do this, then they are lumping THEMSELVES in with the really vicious men who hurt women.

^^this.

Or do you think there is a problem with my finance or you don't.

If you don't, you're part of the problem.

If you do, bloody well do something.

Stop telling feminists that you will only help if they suck your dick first.

Because that's you, right there, in your fictitious 1%.

I think concentrating on murder as the bar for violence is utterly bizarre.

Does "respecting your boundary" include not being allowed to voice my opinions?

I explicitly asserted a boundary. Please do not address me again on this thread.

prat

The MeToo campaign ran to 11,000,000 posts inside 24 hours.

If your man centric view is determined to focus on the male perpetrators, not the female victims, do you think it is only 1% of men who perpetuated those 11 million assaults?

If they do this, then they are lumping THEMSELVES in with the really vicious men who hurt women.

My point precisely! The only blokes you hear from about this are the blokes to avoid. The normal ones already get it.

I have done plenty of consciousness-raising sessions with young women - about consent, red flags to look for and be aware of, self esteem, etc etc etc. The DH when I'm doing one?

Does anyone need a lift? Need some snacks buying? Want me to make any sandwiches?

Not:

A male perspective is vital! How dare you exclude a male perspective! This is why everyone hates feminism!

Likewise, DH has on occasion run similar sessions with boys he coaches in sport. My reaction?

Does anyone need a lift? Need some snacks buying? Want me to make any sandwiches?

Not:

A female perspective is vital! How dare you exclude a female perspective! This is why everyone hates men!

The very fact that particular men complain about women discussing male violence and/or shout exclusion is the very reason those particular men need excluding from the bloody discussion!

I'm just pointing out what I see to be a serious problem which alienates a large proportion of potential allies who would likely help in effecting change if the patriarchy is as prevalent as asserted.

Okay. So publicising the problem, campaigning against it, lobbying for law change, talking about the statistics of male violence, drilling down into the causes, keeping men out of rape refugees, supporting juries reading about rape myths and basically highlighting, as much as possible what the problem is,

makes any man who reads about it, determined to do nothing

...because we need to do all that and then what?

Say please?

Your attitude is the entire reason these things are perpetuated.

You are blaming feminists for your own lack of spine.

Killing is not the only form of violence women suffer from men.

1 in 4 women are victims of domestic violence in their lifetime - I don't believe all that violence is perpetrated by 1% of men.

As datun says - we are also talking about rape and sexual harassment - definitely not only 1% of men.

Well, it should be fairly easy to work out an estimate. Two men a week kill their partners. What percentage of the UK male population is this?

I dispute the 99% figure you've made up, Prat.

I'm sure I recognise prats writing style.

prat did write before about how rape culture doesn't exist?

I'm not claiming to have a magic plan to improve the statistic whereby 99% of men aren't violent.

I'm just pointing out what I see to be a serious problem which alienates a large proportion of potential allies who would likely help in effecting change if the patriarchy is as prevalent as asserted. I don't know what else you really expect of me. If I held the magic wand which could stop all violence against women rest assured I would wave it.

I dont see how anyone can honestly believe the split is 99:1% good guys to bad apples.

No, it's not - considering 30% of men in the UK have a criminal record by the time they are 30 yrs old - it's really not "1% men who are bad."

Prat made up the 1% figure and has just gone with it.

I'm just fascinated about a plan that doesn't involve talking about male violence, sexual harassment, sexism, and DARVO.

Ok, point one on the action plan is "consider how to stop alienating potential allies and prevent yourself from being taken seriously in the process."

Okay let's assume we've done that.

Then what?

Let's hear it.

God only knows, if you have a magic plan, there isn't a woman alive who doesn't want to know about it.

I didn't realise men were so hopeless that they would be prepared to stand back and see women be abused and murdered because their feelings have been hurt at being lumped in with the 'errant 1%'.

If they do this, then they are lumping THEMSELVES in with the really vicious men who hurt women.

Feminists don't wilfully deride the majority of men. Hence the invention of the acronym NAMALT.

But, according to you, it's about a tiny percentage of men who murdered women.

That is you wilfully disregarding domestic violence, street harrassment, sexual harassment, sexual assault, emotional abuse, rape culture and sexism.

So if you want to line up all the men who participate in, or perpetuate the above, then yes, I'm only talking about them.

Langcleng.

Does "respecting your boundary" include not being allowed to voice my opinions?

Ok, point one on the action plan is "consider how to stop alienating potential allies and prevent yourself from being taken seriously in the process."

Pratcatcher

Not sure how to be any more clear. I don't care what you think and I don't care that the arseholes among the male population feel alienated.

I. Don't. Care.

Boundary asserted. Can you respect it, I wonder?

Datun.

Ok, I'll ask you a question then.

"Do you think that wilfully deriding and alienating the majority of men will foster sympathy from them, and do you think that it would help if a significant percentage of men were to start denouncing toxic behaviours rather than ignoring the issue?"

It's about not alienating the 99% of men who could otherwise be allies

Well come on then.

What's your three-point plan?

Langcleng.

I don't see this debate as being about men chastising women for organising among themselves to tackle these issues. It's about not alienating the 99% of men who could otherwise be allies by insinuating that they have some type of culpability for the actions of the errant >1%.

I don't think it really helps achieve the broader goals which would probably make for a better existence for both sexes.

So you list the gazillion reasons why (you think) feminists have got it wrong.

You tell them they aren't attracting more people to the cause.

You insinuate that there is, according to you, a better way to do it.

But when asked, you come up with fuck all.

So basically just a man whingeing.

Making sexist jibes about "small penises" certainly isn't going to help you be taken seriously.

I don't know how many more times I can say this on this thread.

I don't care.

I don't care what men think. The decent ones don't wank about complaining that women organise among themselves in order to improve their safety and dignity within society. The decent ones don't complain about their exclusion. The decent ones get it.

The arseholes - who deserve to be mocked for penis size -
complain. And I don't give two hoots about what they think.