The continuing war against women - Report on the Newcastle "grooming gang"

I emailed the Newcastle MP Chi Onwurah 2 years before all this came out about the grooming in Newcastle i also posted on her page that she used to have on the net where you could leave messages.
It was very blatant in Newcastle at the West End and at Leazes park what was going on.
She never bothered to reply to either message then again its just White girls why would she want to rock the boat.
I see she was quick to write a letter to the Prime Minister calling for Harvey Weinstein to lose his CBE that will help her local constituency

whatabout, that’s exactly what I meant.

I understand that according to some definitions it cannot be described as racism, but why the othering dimension isn’t deemed significant (by people who usually find othering to be significant) is beyond me.

Snibble- true, sex tourism is a big problem and some European men seem to think its ok to exploit women and children in poor countries. That is deplorable.
Hipster- surely the gangs of Muslim men who target vulnerable white girls are “othering “these girls and their whole culture. White girls= non virgins/ non protected by family = available= dirty. Othering works both ways.

whataboutbob - the article says that there is no indication the police failed to act because of fears of being accused of racism - they are specific on that

the police failed to act because they weren't interested in these girls being abused. they thought they were trash, like the men who were raping them, is the bottom line, as someone posted earlier

"The police want to go after the gangs but don't have the manpower or resources."

No they don't. The police's priorities are elsewhere. Transgender hate crime or what not.

Sorry worboys not recently sent down, recently due to be released.

White british men go overseas to rape children from other cultures

For a start

I also think that british men are better at hiding their crimes, have a different pattern of offending, and the police are even less likely to look into it than these guys

How many vicitms were there in childrens homes, in sports clubs, in schools? In churches, in hospitals, in care homes? How many children are being molested by family members? We have recently had two of the most prolific sex offenders in our country in living memory sent down - warboys and that peadophile - both white british men.

I agree that different cultures have different ideas and some have very toxic views about women and girls and that needs looking at, but not at the price of taking our eye off the wider picture. This is not solely a culture problem, or a religion problem, it is a man problem, that is the commonality across ALL the recent stories from this to saville to metoo to worboys and so on. Too many men are interested in sexually abusing women and girls, and sometimes men and boys.

That should be “on message” in race relations speak.

Remember- where’s the evidence though that white men are abusing Asian women, or Chinese men are abusing white women, or orthodox Jewish men are abusing black women? It has been a specific, Muslim men on white women pattern ever since the firs case eventually came out because the sheer weight of evidence tipped over everyone’s reluctance to talk about this phenomenon. Until then, it had been as if being seen to be on ,sesame in race relations speak was more important than speaking up for the 100s of victims. All white girls, groomed and abused by Muslim men.

men abuse girls and women (outside of their own culture) and then use their culture/race as their excuse. It's their justification and makes them feel OK about it.

Yes, it’s othering.

WiseDad you don't believe the police and other authorities failed the victims in any way here?

another perspective

men abuse girls and women (outside of their own culture) and then use their culture/race as their excuse. It's their justification and makes them feel OK about it.

it's not about the culture per se, but about how they justify their behaviour to themselves.

chattylion and others. No isn't white make privilege that allowed these girls to be abused and the perpetrators to get away with it so long. How dare you suggest I and those of my ilk have responsibility here.

The responsibility lies squarely with those who committed the crime and those who made it impossible to report on such crimes by making people fearful of being judgemental due to the all cultures are equal crap.

And don't give me the "most child abusers are white men" line. Of course they are as most people in the country are white and it's mostly a male thing. Doesn't stop me saying that most perpetrators of child sexual exploitation are Muslim males. 1500 girls in one town over a more than a decade. Hundreds of thousands in the country as a whole. That's industrial child abuse and trying to make it level by counting every criminal as equal is wilfully blind. Someone who abuses one, two or three kids is vile. But a member of a gang who abuse hundreds? How can you not see that as not even remotely equivalent? How can people attempt to criticise drawing attention to this as racist? It's just the facts that many seem to wish to ignore.

@Blindyeo. Keep trying. There are none so blind as those who do not wish to see the truth.

*and girls

What if it had been a grooming gang scandal involving thousands of Asian girls being specifically targeted by white men? Would you say 'oh it's not cultural, it's just men again

Yes I would. We have just seen an analogy of this in the Oxfam and UN scandals. Men of colour target white women. White men target women of colour. Men of colour target women of colour. White men target white women. The key decider in who targets whom is sex, not skin colour or ethnicity. Men target whichever women they can most easily access and get away with abusing.

This is happening in Portsmouth, too.

Tallulah - there are many reasons why the police and local authorities cover this up. One is the lack of value placed on working class girls. Another is fear of being accused of racism.

It is assumed by the police (and others in authority) that this is an open secret and if you hang around with these men then this is what you deserve.

In the short term, we should be open as a society about this problem and reach potential victims before the perps do.

In the long term, many cultural attitudes need to change.

The culture of the police is to be more interested in the accusation than the crime. I learned this when I was seven in 1953.

1) a good “ clean”woman is a virgin until her wedding day 2) women who aren’t are dirty and fair game, and 3) most western women belong in the second category.

A little louder for those who are singing lalala it's nothing to do with culture.

Of course it's men. But it's ALSO cultural attitudes (not race). Culture shapes everyone. There are better and worse cultures when it comes to attitudes to women. If you don't think so, hop on over to Afghanistan with your bikini for your next holiday.

I cannot understand how anyone can say culture is a red herring in these specific cases. Yes there are other factors. But Asian men picked predominantly on white girls. 'White meat'. Their strategy, their decision.

What if it had been a grooming gang scandal involving thousands of Asian girls being specifically targeted by white men? Would you say 'oh it's not cultural, it's just men again.' Would you say the whiteness of the men and the brown skin of the girls was a red herring then?

Those white girls deserve a full analysis of why these things happened to them. Not just a politically correct one.

The police and the rapists colluded on this. This is the same all over the country.

Men in authority will always protect adults from children's accusations. They do it instinctively. They believe the child is bad and the adult must be protected. Look at Saville. I believe its because they see their own image and instinctively act to protect other men, in the way they would want to be believed and protected, man to man.

They did this to my young son, his friend told a teacher my son was talking to a paedophile online and the school called the police and had the two children arrested. To protect the paedophile. I had to go all the way up to the school governors to try to get them to explain why they arrested the children to protect the adult. They literally could not explain themselves. They just tried to cover it up.

Not sure that adults have any understanding of children at all.

I would like to add that my language in the above post is direct because I am so fucking angry about what these innocent girls have been subjected to.

to any survivor who sees this.

Agree Talulah it’s a male privilege across all cultures that has allowed this abuse of girls and women to flourish to the frightening and massive extent it has across the country.

The girls weren't dismissed by the police because Asian men thought they were dirty slappers who asked for it. They were dismissed by police because white men thought they were dirty slappers who asked for it.

A little louder for those singing lalala race.

The girls weren't dismissed by the police because Asian men thought they were dirty slappers who asked for it. They were dismissed by police because white men thought they were dirty slappers who asked for it.

Ethnicity is a red herring here. The problem is male privilege.