H Brunskell-Evans - resigned from WEP

I still think any new Woman Party would be interpreted by the media as FEMINIST BITCHFIGHT LOL which would be a pain to get around, but I'm willing to be proved wrong. (I'd quite like to be wrong, tbh!)

Attilla I know what you mean.

But actually I think done in the right way it wouldn't be. A party representing biological women with an obviously female, obviously non bigoted woman at the head of it would be great.

Slogan: Being a woman is biology not bigotry. We need to talk about sex.

The media would be all over it. It would give a voice to actual women. It would make visible the currently invisible in this debate.

WEP have updated their statement with the specific rules that HBE supposedly broke:

www.womensequality.org.uk/february_21_statement

"The Executive Committee ruled that there were breaches of 7.10 of the constitution (which can be found online HERE) and 2.1 and 2.2 of the volunteer agreement, which are as follows:

2.1: We expect our volunteers to treat all WE employees, other WE volunteers, all WE members and supporters, and any members of the public you have dealings with, with respect and consideration and without discriminating against, defaming, bullying, harassing or intimidating any person, in particular because of any protected characteristic (sex, age, race, disability, gender-reassignment, sexual orientation, religious or philosophical belief, marital/civil partnership status or pregnancy/maternity). If you don’t do this, it could result in the Party no longer asking you to volunteer, and might make you personally liable for damages. Again, you may have the right to appeal to WE under article 10 of the WE Constitution.

2.2: The Party has been set up to create a broad and strong consensus, uniting voters from across the political spectrum and irrespective of gender, in a drive towards gender equality. It is essential for our effectiveness and credibility that we recognise and embrace different political approaches within our members and supporters, avoid personal attacks on other WE members or against other mainstream parties and maintain political neutrality while discussing our seven core goals. Our approach should be collegiate, inclusive and constructive."

I suspect the relevant part of 7.10 is

"The Executive Committee can censure any Appointed Officers,
candidates for elections or elected representatives in the name of the
Party, including the Leader, if, in the view of the Executive
Committee, that individual’s actions could reasonably be considered:
(i) a breach of the terms of this Constitution; or
(ii) bullying, defamation, harassment or intimidation; or
(iii) bringing the Party into disrepute; or
(iv) to make them unsuitable to represent WE; or
(v) to demonstrate, through their conduct, fundamental
disagreement with the core values and objectives of the Party."

Exactly Terfy how can you have discussion or debate about an issue and develop better practice if you are not allowed to express opinions, present research and knowledge that is questioning the "holy creed".

So they're not keen on women who work tirelessly around VAW huh. Awesome.

How can you “evolve discussions” about the conflict between sex and gender by silencing members who have views, and academic expertise, on the matter? Pathetic.

Agree plectrum

Sadly it does not surprise me.

WEP "statement" here: www.womensequality.org.uk/february_21_statement

She was a perfect spokesperson for a party representing women and girls with a 30 year carreer centred on feminism and gender analysis.
She does not believe gender is innate and is against transing pre pubescent children.

She obviously HAD to go!

Shame on them, horrible cowardly decision.

Oh yes the book. Duh. I'll get my coat.

No it really was just that. Wow. Incidentally on the same programme Jane Fae said this:
"Delaying puberty has minimal consequences."

“If 0.1% of the adult population is trans then 0.1% of the child population is trans. So…we are beginning to move to the real levels not a fad.”

Both sailed by without the slightest questioning of their validity.

I'd imagine HBE's book on the ideology of transgendering children went down like a bucket of cold sick Jog22.

No it really was just that. Wow. Incidentally on the same programme Jane Fae said this:
"Delaying puberty has minimal consequences."

“If 0.1% of the adult population is trans then 0.1% of the child population is trans. So…we are beginning to move to the real levels not a fad.”

Both sailed by without the slightest questioning of their validity.

I think a re-brand is in order:

The Working Exclusively for Penis-owners party?

Can someone confirm why Dr Heather Brunskell-Evans was being investigated in the first place? It surely wasn't just over a Moral Maze episode was it? I've just re-listened to it and wouldn't be able to work out where she said anything offensive?

Ever the optomistic I stuck with the WEP for longer than some here, but today is the end of my membership.

Bad form WEP - very bad form for women everywhere.

How can you have a political party that's cross-party, Ouch? Do you mean something like a cross-party political movement rather than a party with a complete manifesto? I think that might work.

The WEP had something a while ago which they called their 'nickable policies' and they offered them to all the major parties so they could 'steal' them, which I thought was quite clever. They didn't think they'd get seats in Parliament but they'd done all the legwork for anyone who wanted to adopt their principles, and they'd brought their issues to wider attention.

I still think any new Woman Party would be interpreted by the media as FEMINIST BITCHFIGHT LOL which would be a pain to get around, but I'm willing to be proved wrong. (I'd quite like to be wrong, tbh!)

Eating not rating

Also it would have to be cross-party views as a party I think, to avoid the left rating itself thing. With the aim to restore and protect women's rights as a sex.

If you start a new party with 'Women' in the title then someone's bound to ask about the WEP and no matter what you do or how calm and rational your reasoning it'll be feminist bunfight or the left is eating itself or jokes about The People's Front of Judea.

I get why you are saying this but I don't agree. A new party representing biological women's interests in the debate would have a strong political voice. This would give a platform for proper debate about the issues. Biological women get all this pretty quickly. I think it could be a great way to get back to having proper, balanced debate.

I've no doubt there is a small but powerful lobby behind many of these decisions,but they couldn't get this far without a lot of people being too cowardly to speak out.

I can think of other words beginning with W that might seem appropriate, Goody.