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My elderly parents peak transed today

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MyBeloved · 20/02/2018 18:33

I was having a lively debate with my parents (both in their 80s and incredibly with it and intelligent) and the subject of womens only safe spaces came up. I decided to tell them about the proposed issues involving TIMs.

And they peak transed.

So begins the spread of this information among their friends, and the ripples will spread.

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Ereshkigal · 22/02/2018 08:45

Mine too.

AngryAttackKittens · 22/02/2018 08:41

I don't envy you, people who have teenagers! I'm sure my poor mum wished I'd come with a mute button installed at times.

boatyardblues · 22/02/2018 08:39

Looking on the bright side, if teens do Charlotte’s bidding it opens up numerous parent-child conversation where us “wrong thinking mumosaurs” can present an alternative viewpoint. Cheers Charlotte! Wine

AngryAttackKittens · 22/02/2018 08:31

Finally read the linked post, and am laughing (with you as much as at you, Charlotte, if you're reading) because I can remember the life stage where I'd have written very much like that. Except that in my case it was Marxism that I loved to lecture people about. My poor, long suffering working class family who had to listen to far better off than them at the same age teenage me bang on about seizing the means of production. I should send them a hamper to apologize.

Due to the fact that I go to a fairly progressive girls’ school and have friends from all over the gender spectrum

Translation - I'm middle to upper middle class and a bit smug about it, allow me to use my relative privilege to explain these issues to the lumpenproletariat.

How is this suitable behaviour from a group of parents?

If you're a mother then you're everyone's mother! Now act like a loving, indulgent mummy or I'll sneer at you a bit more for being old and thus obviously not with it enough to understand things the way I do.

Like Lang said earlier, I'm certain that I was probably just as smug and annoying when I was a teenager, and I'm glad that no public record exists of that life stage for me. This generation of kids are going to be so embarrassed when they look back at the stuff they put online as adolescents when they're older. At least back when people wrote it in their diary instead the cringe was limited to the one person who found it buried in a box of old stuff later.

I kind of get what some people are saying about going easy on the kid because she is a kid, but at the same time looking back on myself at the same age I'm glad people didn't do that because it would just have prolonged the learning how to engage with the world appropriately and effectively process. I've seen what happens when kids are insulated from that until they're well into their university years, and it's not good.

The combination of incomplete cognitive development and lack of life experience makes it unsurprising that a lot of teenagers don't quite understand why self-ID is such a threat. They may not like our stepping in to preserve their rights for them or understand why we're doing so, but it's still our responsibility as adults to do it. Teenagers have always railed against their elders - it's a life stage, twas ever thus, etc.

FlaviaAlbia · 22/02/2018 08:25

Most teenagers go thought a phase of thinking their parents are simple minded creatures who are stuck in the past and don't understand how the world works now don't they? She'll grow out of it.

AngryAttackKittens · 22/02/2018 07:59

I don't have kids, but would have a hard time not laughing if my tween niece earnestly informed me that I needed to stop reading a website that I already was reading because it was "problematic" according to her "research". Is this how children expect relationships with their parents to go in the UK now, or is Charlotte a particularly smug example of the modern teenager?

Emerencealwayshopeful · 22/02/2018 07:27

Little Charlotte is such a sweetie. ‘Make sure that your parents know mumsnet is a ... transphobic site’

Do teenagers really think that their parents are going to take statements like this as fact and stay away from sites that their offspring consider problematic? My eldest is still only 11 but I am finding it hard to imagine how such a conversation would happen. And if it did happen, this post has actually provided not a whit of evidence for her statement. She appears to be falling into the trap of believing that anything that doesn’t conform with her own understanding is xxxx-phobic.

I explained to my GP a few days ago that she is no longer a woman, because trans women are women and those of us who previously erroneously believed that we were in fact women are now cis-women. To distinguish us from the REAL ACTUAL women who are not us.

I also happened to mention that talking about biology is transphobic. Which, we agreed, might make her job harder, but it’s worth it if even one person is spared the literal violence of being misgendered.

Just in case anyone upthread was considering answering, can I too ask how one knows that they are female if biology, sex organs and mentruation/pregnancy/birth/breastfeeding/postpartum bodies are irrelevant? Should I feel something in particular? Could it be that I am really male if I don’t have that feeling?

StopPOP · 22/02/2018 07:13

I'm sorry to ask but I genuinely don't know where to find it..

There was a post on a thread with the "suck my dick" conversation. It was a disgusting exchange and the poster apologised for linking it (or adding the photo/screen shot?)

Could someone either post it again or PM me it? I meant to save it but didn't and want it to hand to use when having these conversations.

I may have got the wording wrong but it was definitely an exchange where the "trans" was extremely disgusting and threatening? Actually I'm unsure if it was the "suck" (bleurgh) one as I'm thinking it was worse?

Gah! Does anyone know what I mean?

KafkaBeetle · 22/02/2018 06:47

I peaked my elderly mum in about 3 seconds at the weekend. I told her that the Labour Party were removing all-women shortlists. She said, what! why, we don’t have enough women in politics?
I said, well they’ve changed it so anyone who says they are a woman can be on an all-women shortlist now.
Mum: but that’s not an all-women shortlist.
Me: You said it.
Mum: But if this was an official Labour policy then the party would have to have had a proper vote of their members on this. It would have been reported all over the news if they just did something that offensive to women, wouldn’t it?
...PEAK!

BrandNewHouse · 22/02/2018 06:36

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OlennasWimple · 22/02/2018 02:19

Hope Lye sounds cool - broadening the bandwidth of what it means to be male Wink

I'm not sure whether to be pleased or cross that I wasn't quoted in that blog...

iBiscuit · 22/02/2018 00:03

Me too, Gacapa Smile

whoputthecatout · 21/02/2018 22:54

Charlotte is to transgender what adolescents were to CND in the 50s (the cause du jour when I was a teen). Let's just chuck those nasty nuclear weapons away, smile sweetly at the Russians and naturally they will do the same.

Different debate, same argument. We can all make the world a happy clappy place if we are really really nice.

In a way it will be sad for her when reality sets in.

CertainHalfDesertedStreets · 21/02/2018 22:38

I love Hope. And she's been to a vegan BBQ which is another big TRA no no now appaz...

blackberryfairy · 21/02/2018 22:37

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Gacapa · 21/02/2018 22:35

I quite like this fella.

My elderly parents peak transed today
LangCleg · 21/02/2018 22:19

Haha. I aim to please. Even including line breaks.

boatyardblues · 21/02/2018 21:09

I speak plainly. I have no interest in pussy footing around an ideology whose end point is a society in which the hyper-privileged play at body hacking via endo-tech and newfangled surgeries in a fruitless quest for authenticity while the rest of us labour at shit jobs in shit housing with a shit public safety net.

This paragraph made me properly LOL when I realised my mistake. I read it as:

”I speak plainly. I have no interest in pussy” because of the way the line break fell and the saw the next line was part of the sentence. God, I don’t even know why I’m posting this. Mid week delirium...

IfNot · 21/02/2018 16:26

Mnhq...WHY was my post deleted?

bombadino · 21/02/2018 16:16

Well socialised young women might consider ever greater degrees of tolerance as signs of achieving their proper adult role

CertainHalfDesertedStreets · 21/02/2018 16:11

imagine that women simply stop reading and lose all sense of reason when they hit middle-age.

No I don't think we GOT stupid. I think we always were. And that's why we were oppressed. Back in the day. Whereas youngsters would never let that happen to them. So there!

and then you get pregnant and hey presto! Turns out biology and sex discrimination are things after all. Who knew?

bombadino · 21/02/2018 16:08

I have no interest in pussy footing around an ideology whose end point is a society in which the hyper-privileged play at body hacking via endo-tech and newfangled surgeries in a fruitless quest for authenticity while the rest of us labour at shit jobs in shit housing with a shit public safety net.

So well put - exactly what I've been trying to express. Thanks.

Lovesagin · 21/02/2018 16:06

The blog reads pretty well, but Charlotte has done what we all did at that age of not actually reading AND understanding what is being said. I know my actual comprehension went out of the window when i thought I was right and eloquent about something as a passionate, maturing child in that awful inbetween age.

Charlotte's view is definitely not indicative of the youth I know, who are all concerned about this as many of them have friends who will also be directly impacted if self id becomes the 'reality'

MyBeloved · 21/02/2018 16:01

Wow! That's the first time I have ever been quoted in a blog. AND it was my first Feminism Board post!

Oh, I've never been called a bigot before either. If you knew my family situation you'd realise how laughable that is.

I am simply concerned about the very few rights we have as women, being pushed aside by a vocal minority in a very dangerous way.

Transphobic? I think not.

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terfsRus · 21/02/2018 15:54

What's with the emoji OD in the TRAs twitter feeds?
That's peak transed me all over again

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