My elderly parents peak transed today

MyBeloved - Now you have me intrigued, what kind of agenda would those be? I'm genuinely curious.

I've tiptoed around the topic with my mother (in her 70's) but after attending the Women's Place meeting on Tuesday, I decided to come clean. I told her what we discussed and said, straight out, that transwomen are men and I thought the whole issue of trans was bs.

My mother was fascinated, she knew very little about what's been going on and I filled her in; pussy hats, women's sports, dismissal of female biology, the lot.

Then she said that a while ago she had wondered, and said to me, how could a man say he is a woman when he has never had a period. 'So, I've been saying all of that already,' she said with such delight! It was really cute - she was so chuffed that she had come to the same conclusion independently from all the admirable women I'd mentioned.

Deadline for consultation about the GRA in Scotland is 1st March. Anyone around the country can complete this however. Please do!

consult.gov.scot/family-law/review-of-the-gender-recognition-act-2004/

Thanks thebewilderness. Apologies from me for being testy.

You are quite right about the 1st rule. Right there in the Genesis chapter 3.

@bluescreen, these are the operational rules of misogyny that I have observed and documented in an effort to help women recognize the many forms they take in our society.
The 1st and most significant one, I think, is that women are held responsible for what men do. We are told this in all the man made myths and zombie lies that never die, and more importantly by the daily news and even sometimes our friends and family.
My apologies for any confusion.

At work I'm now known as "she's off again". Still yesterday peaked two grandfathers and today a female manager of a pub. On a roll...

Not one person, once they get it, (and most admit they have never heard of it), can get their heads around the sheer stupidity.

I think all of them are written in an ironic way from the perspective of sexist men, so you're fine
Yer what? I hold no brief for sexist men, ironically or otherwise, and all this cross-irony is doing my head in. I do think the T shirt would be funny, though. Cos it's a shit argument.

Apologies if I misunderstood when I thought you thought I was a bloke trying to take the high ground.
I'm only finding this difficult because it's mad. Mad that women have to put up with shit, mad that they get criticised for doing so, mad that they get criticised for not doing so, mad that they get criticised for talking about it.

I think all of them are written in an ironic way from the perspective of sexist men, so you're fine

Hurriedly adds in case anyone isn't on the same wavelength: Obvs the worst thing about male violence is male violence.

the 10th rule of misogyny: The worst thing about male violence is that it makes men look bad.
Can we have a T-shirt? This is the worst, most destructive and most tedious thing to put up with: NAMALT.

My son doesn't think men are a risk to women.
Their nice friends are rarely as nice as boys think they are. It doesn't take long for girls to figure out which boys can be trusted with the truth about their nice friends, and which ones subscribe to the 10th rule of misogyny: The worst thing about male violence is that it makes men look bad.

twitter.com/shushingthecult

Phoenix I thought you might be interested in Nicole Church's tweet of 8 Feb

Terfisaslur might have it?

@Ouchbirthhurted

It's not the one I was thinking of but thank you, still useful to show (sadly)

Upon further thought I'm now not 100% sure it was trans related I'm fairly sure it was in the Feminist section and was an exchange between (perhaps) a man and a woman which turned nasty. Maybe it was a horrible example of what some women put up with from some men.

I'll keep looking, thanks again

I'm old enough to be their mum and still irritated that candy colored hair, which I sported myself when I was younger and am contemplating doing again, has become associated with tedious wankery and the belief that biological sex doesn't exist. Give the Manic Panic back to goths, you snotty little gits! So yeah, I totally get why to a teenager "ugh, why do they have to ruin everything that I'd otherwise enjoy?" would be their primary concern.

You can't blame them, can you? That's the big problem with youth SJW culture - it's overwhelmingly negative. And the adults who are allowing it to bleed into grown-up politics are so stupid. People do not vote for negative propositions that make them feel bad about themselves - there are better ways to combat social ills.

That might well be my major objection too if I was their age. I've had encounters with some of the hardcore queer theory true believers and they're the most tedious, self absorbed, wet blanket personality having group of people you could ever meet. Remember when some of them responded to the It Gets Better campaign by saying "not for us it doesn't"? They're awful.

Also they're boys, so unless they're GNC for them this stuff will be less threat and more annoyance.

Yes. One's quite GNC in presentation - wears skirts/kilts and leggings and sometimes some make up. The other a typical sporty type. But their main objection is, of course, borne of the selfishness of youth - blue haired whiners spoil all the parties; blue haired whiners have taken over all the uni politics societies; blue haired whiners are generally getting in the way of me having a good time.

Well, yes, Lang & Kittens. My son doesn't think men are a risk to women. He's basing this on himself and his nicer friends.

I'm glad that (as far as I can tell) he is lovely to his girlfriend, but I've pointed out to him that he talked over and batted down his sister when she was trying to tell him that some boys their age are total gits. It's as if his personal experience of 'being nice' ought to outweigh her personal experience of being harassed.

@StopPOP

Do you mean Danielle Muscato?

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/2876810-Danielle-Muscatos-tweet-on-international-womens-day

Also they're boys, so unless they're GNC for them this stuff will be less threat and more annoyance.

They may not like our stepping in to preserve their rights for them or understand why we're doing so, but it's still our responsibility as adults to do it.

Well, exactly. My two boys aren't like Charlotte - they are basically gender critical but think this trans bollocks is pretty much the mods v rockers of the 2010s and that I am attaching way too much importance to it. Of course they do. They're still youthful. They can't properly conceive of the blood and guts spilled over seventy or eighty years of building up protections and safeguarding. They think it's a fashion and a new fashion will come along soon enough. They can't properly conceive of the levels of damage that will be left in its wake and what will be required to repair it.

Most teenagers go thought a phase of thinking their parents are simple minded creatures who are stuck in the past and don't understand how the world works now don't they?

"When I was a boy of 14, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be 21, I was astonished at how much the old man had learned in seven years.” Mark Twain

Ah teenagers...the amount of things I am literally a Nazi because of seem endless.

My Nazi like policing of the washing machine otherwise known as if you don't put a cycle in by 9pm on a Sunday you will have no clean clothes on Monday morning.

My Nazi like policing of food otherwise known as if you insist on eating everything the day after a supermarket delivery it's going to be basic rations by the end of the week, also there are others in the household too and food has to be shared.

Such a totalitarian I am!

Same goes for babies and toddlers (mute button). Is there a sweet spot where you don’t wish it?