The age of the sex dolls

I think vibrators are plastic imitations of the real thing, and are hideous. Mind you, you don't nag them to take out the bins or get angry when they avoid cleaning out the toilet bowl. I threw mine out in the recycling bin. Rarely used, twice, I couldn't actually sell it on.

I think it's pretty hateful (and ignorant) to suggest disability precludes anyone from being attractive as a potential sexual and/or romantic partner to a real, live person, thedancingbear.

Why would any of those characteristics make a man incapable of forming a relationship with a sentient human being? It would obviously affect their opportunity, but that's not the same as being incapable.

That's nitpicking. If you have repeatedly tried and have been unsuccessful, then you are, to all intents and purposes, incapable. Are you seriously suggesting there are not thousands of men (and women) out there who would love to experience a sexual relationship but for whatever reason have not been able to?

My experience of men who use women who are sex workers is that they aren't incapable because of those characteristics of forming sexual relationships. They just aren't able to fuck young, attractive, pretending to be willing partners who are available to them at all times to do whatever they want.

I know many many men with disabilities, less traditionally attractive and with lower social skills who have girlfriends and wives. Hell I've gone out with some. But male entitlement doesn't allow some men to believe that if they are less physically attractive with low social skills, that's likely what they will be looking at in a partner. It's classic male entitlement to sex.

I'm saying that studies show men who would sexually assault will in many cases go to prostitutes instead when available

Really Oldman are you saying that when prostitutes are not available, then men will sexually assault women?

What you are also saying is that it's acceptable to sexually assault prostitutes to prevent sexual assault within good decent girls.

Reminds me of this

www.theguardian.com/uk/2006/dec/13/suffolkmurders.gender

Trigger warning for Oldman it's an article written by Julie Bindel.

Why would any of those characteristics make a man incapable of forming a relationship with a sentient human being? It would obviously affect their opportunity, but that's not the same as being incapable.

Women who can't find a sexual partner (or one who isn't an utter arsehole) get laughed at

Not by me, and not on here.

I was giving examples of why someone may be 'incapable of forming a [sexual] relationship with a sentient human being', which a poster upthread explained was the category of people who would use these dolls.

I do think many of the people who would use these dolls would fall into these categories. Obviously far from all. Why is the suggestion 'off'?

we should point and laugh at men who for whatever reason (physical appearance, social skills, disability) find it difficult to find a sexual partner?

Women who can't find a sexual partner (or one who isn't an utter arsehole) get laughed at. And then ignored. There's not a massive, multi-billion pound industry set up for their pleasure.

I think it's quite off to suggest that men who can't find a partner due to disability, physical appearance or lack of social skills will be the ones who inevitably will want to use these sex dolls.

I'm not saying prostitution is a good or healthy life. I'm saying that studies show men who would sexually assault will in many cases go to prostitutes instead when available.

Some scientists are now saying prostitutes are actual, live, human women. I know, right? I have spoken to/worked with loads of working women and the stuff they have to deal with is sickening and frequent. Sex work doesn't stop rape and sexual assault, it just transfers it onto a small, vulnerable and less powerful subsection of women.

So to summarise, BrandNewHouse, we should point and laugh at men who for whatever reason (physical appearance, social skills, disability) find it difficult to find a sexual partner?

That's pretty hateful to be honest.

How is a sex doll different from a vibrator?

I said prostitution does not prevent rape.

That statement just explains why so many prostitutes have PTSD, and some mens attitude towards prostitutes.

Well yes. I'm not saying prostitution is a good or healthy life. I'm saying that studies show men who would sexually assault will in many cases go to prostitutes instead when available. The statement was made that prostitution doesn't reduce rape but it appears that it does. There's a maxim some put about that rape isn't about sex but about power. Sometimes that's true but in cases where it isn't, people will sometimes be satisfied with prostitution instead. One of the studies (the Dutch one) showed a reduction of 30-40% in sexual abuse and rape.

None of that is saying prostitutes have a happy life.

You haven't seen the "fleshlight" things then Olennas?

It's interesting that female sex toys are dildos or vibrators, but male sex toys are facsimile women with multiple holes for penetrating

OldmanOfTheWeb
That statement just explains why so many prostitutes have PTSD, and some mens attitude towards prostitutes.

What makes them' pathetic', Patodp? Genuine question.

Well I can't speak for Patodp, obviously, but I can't imagine ever wanting to have sex with a male sex doll robot thing. It wouldn't matter how physically attractive it was, how much it resembled my 'perfect man', I couldn't be attracted to it, or turned on by it. And I couldn't demean myself enough to talk to it or pretend it was real. And I think I'm worth more than pretending a robot is into me.

I can't imagine the level of self-delusion required to get turned on by a 'reaction' from a robot.

I think if you had such a low expectation of your own interaction with others that would be pretty pathetic.

The existence of prostitutes and sex dolls does not prevent rape.

Actually there is evidence that it does.

Our results suggest the magnitude of the negative effect of the establishments is larger at night. Since it is also at night when the majority of the indoor prostitution establishments are open and the demand for the services they provide is higher, the results suggest that potential sex offenders prefer to use the services offered by these establishments rather than committing sex crimes. Furthermore, these results suggest that sex crimes and indoor prostitution are substitutes.

www.micaelasviatschi.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/sex_crimeNYC.pdf

pubs.aeaweb.org/doi/pdfplus/10.1257/pol.20150299

www.nber.org/papers/w20281.pdf

I think it's a mix of guys who want to say or do things that they wouldn't feel able to with a real woman; and men who are shy or intimidated to have sex with a real woman. And maybe a contingent who just like the novelty or find it attractive.

And maybe some who don't feel comfortable paying for consent/abusing/raping with a woman, who are happier to do it with an inanimate object
Sarcasm, I don't think that's likely. Although maybe the ones who are happy to do those things will continue, and it'll just create a new market for guys who wouldn't otherwise use prostitutes?

BarrackerBarmer Well exactly. The existence of prostitutes and sex dolls does not prevent rape. That's one reason why underage dolls and CGI images of child abuse are illegal, and they aren't given to pedophiles to prevent offending.