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Discussion thread regarding porn <trigger warning - contains distressing content & links>

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VaguelyAware · 18/02/2018 23:52

Following a recent thread regarding porn & its detrimental effect on sexual attitudes, particularly amongst teens, one poster suggested we should have a further thread to continue the discussion.

I don't want to link to the thread until I've got permission from the OP of the previous thread, just in case, for any reason, she would rather the other thread fell from view.

I should add, I'm not an authority on this subject; I was horrified at many of the links in the previous thread. I was still under the impression that a lot of porn was significantly "softer" & lot closer to what it was 15-20 years ago. An attitude I suspect many other posters shared.

I am adding a trigger warning from the start. Please, anyone reading this thread, be aware that any links may potentially be distressing. However, I would ask that if anyone does post a link with potentially distressing content, they clearly state this.

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holycheeseplant · 23/02/2018 09:46

From the twitter thread this article about animation. (I think) It references a type of animation I know Stacy Dooley did a piece on in Japan whereby cartoon mags are allowed to depict paedophilia - I know this is seen as an issue over there.

kotaku.com/the-people-who-make-brutal-video-game-porn-1690892332

From the article - their reasoning: (baring in mind the dark fantasies are very extreme.)

*We aim to make movies for responsible adults...this medium bypasses the seedier facets of the pornography industry. In live action movies the viewer never really knows if the actresses are being exploited, especially in rape fantasies.

"We animate digital models in a safe environment, and the voice talent records from the safety of their own homes, which means that our medium is the ideal platform for exploring these darker themes with a clear conscience," Darkcrow said.

(Last line)
... they assure fans that they would never fully stop doing non-consensual scenes.*

holycheeseplant · 23/02/2018 09:26

Awful thread on twitter, but worthy of including re animation being funded by patreon.

This journalist has been interesting me as she seems to tackle some really big things.

twitter.com/vonny_bravo/status/966766553940283392

VaguelyAware · 20/02/2018 13:26

The OP of the previous thread has got back to me & confirmed it's ok to link back to her thread.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3165779-19-year-old-DD-tells-me-ALL-boys-want-to-throttle?msgid=75770013#75770013

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Married3Children · 20/02/2018 07:59

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Ekphrasis · 19/02/2018 18:36

If you dig through the articles on there, there are many links to outside research articles or sites compiling them. E.g:

www.yourbrainonporn.com/studies-reported-relationships-between-porn-use-or-porn-addictionsex-addiction-and-sexual#less

Resources for parents and teens linked on the site too.

Ekphrasis · 19/02/2018 18:30

Correction, it's a US organisation and seems pretty big.

Ekphrasis · 19/02/2018 18:29

Good thread idea!

I'll post my only link from the previous thread, however on further investigation of the website, it looks like a good resource (actually for teens to look at?) seems to be an app but is in NZ/ Australia.

fightthenewdrug.org/activist-richie-hardcore-talks-porns-effects-new-zealand-australia/

Main site:

fightthenewdrug.org

Mission statement:

"Fight the New Drug is a non-religious, non-legislative, nonprofit organization that exists to provide individuals the opportunity to make an informed decision regarding pornography. We do this by raising awareness on its harmful effects using only science, facts, and personal accounts."

BeHappyMummy · 19/02/2018 18:11

Some links on the Ann Summers petition about how easily distribution of porn increases the rape rate Shock

Geronimoleapinglizards · 19/02/2018 16:25

Ah brilliant!!

Secretlifeofme · 19/02/2018 14:04

Haha I think we are actually the same person - I was doing exactly the same thing! Grin

VaguelyAware · 19/02/2018 14:01

I know! I was just checking out my online banking to see if I could afford to top up the fund (clue - they still needed nearly as much as my monthly rent) & it updated to £7k! Grin Yay!

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Secretlifeofme · 19/02/2018 13:57

YES! Just seen that they've made it with 6 minutes to go! Smile

EngagedWithALeaf · 19/02/2018 13:52

Kickstarter FAQs says no one is charged unless the goal is reached.

mooncuplanding · 19/02/2018 13:25

I missed the other thread but I agree with the sentiment on here that many people are not aware of the hideous type of porn that dominates now

Going on PornHub is certainly an education in the malevolance of men. It is all the nasty horrific fantasies of men there in front of you presented as legitimate.

I recommend any women to spend an hour on there and listen to their gut about porn

Secretlifeofme · 19/02/2018 13:24

I keep sharing it on Facebook! Have you done that too?

VaguelyAware · 19/02/2018 13:15

Is there any way we can promote the fundraiser any more? (Aside from keeping on bumping this thread!) I've tweeted it again.

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Secretlifeofme · 19/02/2018 12:54

I was just wondering the exact same thing @VaguelyAware! I really hope it doesn't just nullify everything :(

VaguelyAware · 19/02/2018 12:51

Does anyone know, on a kickstarter "all or nothing", what happens if they don't raise all the funds? Does it get automatically refunded to the donors?

They still need £439 with £70 minutes left. Just curious really.

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sourpatchkid · 19/02/2018 12:35

Following - thanks for the thread @VaguelyAware

VaguelyAware · 19/02/2018 12:21

I'm going to start doing this.

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SuperLoudPoppingAction · 19/02/2018 09:04

www.preventionplatform.co.uk/?p=2222
Pleasure vs profit is a good film featuring young people which is suitable for young people to watch.

Pornland by Gail dines is a good book to read.

VaguelyAware · 19/02/2018 09:00

Another link below - petition against the Ann Summers / Pornhub collaboration.

www.change.org/p/ann-summers-ann-summers-dump-pornhub

The titles of the videos on Pornhub alone speak for themselves:

"Unwanted Painful Anal" (3.9 million views)

"Noose around her Neck, Real Hanging" (118,000 views)

"No Daddy Stop. I’m not Mummy" (2.5 million views)

"Human Toilet Girl gets a Stomach full of Fresh Urine" (71,000 views)

“Anal Tears” (1.5 million views)

“Extreme Brutal Gagging” (472,000 views)

“How to Sexually Harass Your Secretary Properly” (10.6 million views)

When Ann Summers suggests “Ways to Spice up the Night”, "Bring the Glam" or “Romance is What You Make it” .. is this what they mean?

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QuentinSummers · 19/02/2018 07:56

Thanks for reminding me to donate Smile

HairyBallTheorem · 19/02/2018 07:34

Since this is a resource thread, here's a link to the BMJ study on attitudes to anal sex among young people (with the abstract below):

bmjopen.bmj.com/content/4/8/e004996.short?g=w_open_current_tab

Objective To explore expectations, experiences and circumstances of anal sex among young people.

Design Qualitative, longitudinal study using individual and group interviews.

Participants 130 men and women aged 16–18 from diverse social backgrounds.

Setting 3 contrasting sites in England (London, a northern industrial city, rural southwest).

Results Anal heterosex often appeared to be painful, risky and coercive, particularly for women. Interviewees frequently cited pornography as the ‘explanation’ for anal sex, yet their accounts revealed a complex context with availability of pornography being only one element. Other key elements included competition between men; the claim that ‘people must like it if they do it’ (made alongside the seemingly contradictory expectation that it will be painful for women); and, crucially, normalisation of coercion and ‘accidental’ penetration. It seemed that men were expected to persuade or coerce reluctant partners.

Conclusions Young people's narratives normalised coercive, painful and unsafe anal heterosex. This study suggests an urgent need for harm reduction efforts targeting anal sex to help encourage discussion about mutuality and consent, reduce risky and painful techniques and challenge views that normalise coercion.

FrancisUnderwood · 19/02/2018 02:19

It is a bit weird that, on the site I looked on, most if not all of the 'top vids watched in the UK' are incest based.

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