Gender detected at 5 but not

Verypersonalandcleverusername She shows no other symptoms of autism, so I don't think she is!

I was being a bit facetious; its only a couple of words really (snowman learnt from Frozen etc)

Guardiansplaining how all the children are trans and need to be put on hormones immediately.

Ds1 switches his accent between a really terrible fake American/canadian thing and our generic soft southerner accent, depending on who he is talking to. (With us he uses English, with his canadian friends - the weird NA one). I had to take him to A & E this week and a look of absolute horror flashed over him when the Chinese doc walked in and started asking him questions, because he had to make a decision as to which accent to use. He went with English in a panic. Interesting about the ASD thing - he does have a number of dx traits officially, but hadn’t thought to mention this.

"So my 4 year old dd is actually American then?
I thought it was just from watching too much Disney, but the twang on some words is unmistakable"

This is off topic but your DD may be autistic. My DD is autistic and has an American accent. It's apparently quite common we found out during diagnosis.

Nannyogg - yes, this is bonkers. It's implying that accent is innate rather than learnt.

The reasoning's completely circular. A bunch of little kids whose parents think they sound a bit camp are hauled off to a clinic: a doctor subsequently records them lisping away and says "Absolutely, they sound a bit camp to me."
And therefore they've got to be told they're really girls and might need to be castrated?
Fucking hell.

Many studies show this. That is why there is a social contagion going on as well in so-called "trans" children.

With the accent, I had the same, when I got back from friends house my mum was always "how are you speaking".

Well, I'm failing again at this womanning lark if women aren't supposed to lisp. I have quite a pronounced lisp, which is worse when I'm speaking my second language, weirdly (I am assuming it's something to do with the cognitive load, that I find it harder to control my lisp when I'm concentrating more on what I'm saying).

Anyhoo, I must now conclude that I am a gay man, because science.

Yes there are no gay men or less than macho butch straight men. Just macho straight men and women.
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Terrible article. My 5/6 year old ds had a terrible lisp due to his teeth starting to fall out and the effect this has on word formation. I assume losing teeth and gaining a lisp for a short while makes him gender fluid

Desperate attempt to prove gender is a ‘thing’ in young kids where the evidence isn’t there so the article is all over the place.

Looks like a typical Guardian story full of contradictions

“This makes sense because that is the very same ‘s’ that is characteristic of gay male speech styles in the adult population,” said Munson, drawing on something he had identified in previous research.

Then:
"We never see [that pronunciation] in adult men in gay populations or really in adult men very much at all, or women for that matter,” he said . “But what we do find is that they are very prevalent in stereotypical portrayal of gay men’s speech.”

Well, which is it?

Then later in the article:
While Munson said gender dysphoria/GID is a good predictor of who is going to grow up to be a adult gay man, he rejected concerns that speech traits in childhood could be used to predict future sexual orientation

So we can conclude nothing from speech, but if a child has gender issues, they might well be gay.

Oh shit.

So my 4 year old dd is actually American then?
I thought it was just from watching too much Disney, but the twang on some words is unmistakable.
Does anyone know the tax implications of this?

It's junk science. And the guardian should be ashamed of printing such deeply homophobic propaganda. But hey, they are very comfortable throwing women under the bus to support their trans aganda so it was inevitable that that more sacrifices would have to be made.

My kid had a teacher with a very different accent, for one term, who he adored. He spoke with her accent for months and months afterwards.

God forbid that male people who don't conform to the holy tenets of masculinity should be allowed to call themselves 'men'

Lisping and enjoying the company of female peers? That's not how we do things in the boss class

No adults lisp?? Well I do. I can't hear it myself but everyone else can. Annoys the fuck out of me. And I never wear make up, loathe clothes shopping and get muddy on bikes.

Oh please, so they are saying all camp gay lads are actually transgender now?

Yes. All camp men are now women. Why? No idea. I have never met a camp woman, campness is a uniquely male behaviour and has nothing to do with female. Some people see it as not masculine so all non masculine men must be placed into the woman box.

Trans is a movement completely based on sexist stereotypes.

sorry my general fuck off is not to you lovely lot.

OH fuck off

The team found that adults rated boys who pronounced an “s” in a very crisp, hyper-correct manner as sounding less prototypically boy-like.

“This makes sense because that is the very same ‘s’ that is characteristic of gay male speech styles in the adult population,” said Munson, drawing on something he had identified in previous research.

So having a lisp is now a gender/gay thing? What the holy fuck stereo typing ? are we back int he 70s ? GAY men lisp really ???? FUCK OFF

Are they allowing comments or is this another piece of propaganda? #nodebate?

Oh please, so they are saying all camp gay lads are actually transgender now?

It’s bad reporting like this which is indulging a mass delusion.

Also, my Yr13 Language students are more critical and evaluative than this. Even they know that the old deficit models are out dated.