Former jockey is now a woman

I get that the OP's post was a bit snarky and that's not helpful to achieving our aims in awareness raising but women aren't perfect, we have off days, lose our tempers, roll our eyes and use sarcasm.

To be clear, I wasn't criticising the OP's post. It was just my general thoughts on the story.

As to women can be sarcastic? Nooooo.

Fair comment wiggy

Wiggy

However, the quotes in the article don't make clear, if this is true gender dysphoria.

It's the Daily Record, not the bloody Lancet, what were you expecting? The tabloid press has always regarded women as tits and make-up, I'm not sure why they would suddenly recognise that women have an inner life when it comes to transwomen.

And no, his friends didn't say that at all if you read the article. It's something the journalist said 'his pals had no idea why he was really 'eyeing up the women'. It's not a quote from a friend. No friends are quoted other than texts they sent supporting Victorias transition.

I can only speak for me and I wouldn't give a shit about a man looking at me and never have.

Intimidating or harassing me then yes I've got a problem with that.

dancingbear I was quoting the article when I referred to Victoria as someone who "eyed up women", that is how his friends described him. He is quoted in the article as agreeing, saying that he'd "find himself looking at women".

Regardless of his motive, how do you think the women on the receiving end of those looks interpreted them?

This transgender person is probably a sex pervert - Ding!

Trans people should not be allowed in the workplace - Ding!

Can someone now come on and compare them to paedophiles, please, and then we'll have a full set?

Not transphobic my arse.

You don't know that and there enough comments in there to correlate with DSM criteria. A 'classic' description you could even say.

I think the article is highly suggestive of gender dysphoria.

And perves don't need this article at all nor are they likely to be inspired by it. They already have all the ammunition they need and it's the self-ID crowd that are the problem and going to use that to put women at risk.

I don't understand why so many posters are basically shrugging and saying, what's the problem here?

This is yet another example of the way in which the trans narrative is being promoted and normalised.

It's yet another example of the lie that the only difference between a man and a woman are hairstyles, clothes and make-up.

The fact that this particular man has benefitted in his chosen sporting career simply by virtue of being male, is acknowledged by him and then completely ignored, sending the message, yet again, that women's oppression is just the way it is.

There is a problem here, and it's about much more than one man's preference for a skirt over trousers.

Yes i got that cobra

Thank you

She said she's felt like this since the age of 5, felt like she'd been in prison for all that time not being able to be who she felt she was, tried desperately to act hard and macho, tried to suppress her feelings for decades and was terrified of being exposed. Never married or had children which may be unrelated to her transgenderism or may be very relevant.

That's a lot more than someone just wanting to put on make up and as far as I'm concerned she's a genuine transperson and I'm glad that she can now be who she is.

She made comments about make up and womens clothes but there's clearly a lot more to it than that - she could wear whatever she wanted at home without having to make such a massive change and take such a massive risk.

He's not hurting anyone and I don't see an issue.

Oh, I disagree. His comments are a dangerous precedent.

I give it a few weeks at most before a man defends his perving on women in changing rooms of e.g. La Senza with the defence that he's "envious" of the way they look in underwear cos he's always felt like a woman really.

WhatOldmanOfTheWeb said.

I've never heard of the person in question but have no problem with his choice to transition. He's not hurting anyone and I don't see an issue.

it's just objecting to someone being transgender and dismissing the person and their life to 'a man who likes to dress up'.

But, in the interview linked to, that is all Victoria has said being a women means to them!

Not withstanding the wider self-ID debate, I'm mad as hell that someone whose spent his life "looking at women", "eyeing up women", "chasing women" now claims that it was not because of sexual attraction, but envy of their clothing and makeup - yet in the next breath states that she is still attracted to women sexually.

It's a bloody good excuse for sexist behaviour, isn't it? How many women were intimidated by his apparent perving, which is now being excused as envy?

I get that the OP's post was a bit snarky and that's not helpful to achieving our aims in awareness raising but women aren't perfect, we have off days, lose our tempers, roll our eyes and use sarcasm.

Faced with having our biological reality erased from common parlance and the attacks on our rights to segregate from men in intimate spaces the odd rolling eye emoji is hardly the end of the world.

If we weren't socialised as women to be mostly nice we would have probably stormed the Houses of Parliament en mass some time ago.

The OP may not have articulated herself well but the question still remains why are so many men late in life identifying as women (mostly lesbian women) and all the other questions that lead from that?

I'm pretty fiercely gender critical but so long as he's not hurting anyone else or trying to re-define the meaning of woman, I'm all for it if it makes him happy.

That's why I reported it too Lass. It gives fuel to people who want to attack the site which DOES have some really important information about trans issues that people need to know about.

And it further alienates the posters here who already roll their eyes, think most of us are transphobic and want all the threads hidden away in a corner of the site.

And this place is still all over her like a rash

No, some posters are. I see no merit in the personal attack on the individual concerned and I agree the premise is transphobic. I actually reported it - partly because I don't want ammunition given to detractors of MN.

Should read didn't get the response you anticipated

I think you're being disingenuous now OP because you didn't get the response

Your opening post wasn't raising any questions or areas of debate. Just a sarcastic comment and emoji. Your next couple of posts were ignoring most of the article you linked to and just about your judgement that her reasons for transition are superficial.