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Brendan Cox has resigned

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RedToothBrush · 17/02/2018 22:40

Brendan Cox @ mrbrendancox
Last week I decided to step down from my public roles to face up to mistakes I made several years ago while at Save the Children. I apologise to people I offended or upset at the time. My actions were never malicious but they were at times inappropriate.
I take responsibility for my actions and will hold myself to a higher standard in the future.

www.google.co.uk/amp/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/jo-cox-husband-brendan-cox-step-down-charity-a8215951.html%3famp
Brendan Cox steps down from charity set up in murdered wife Jo’s memory over 'mistakes I made several years ago'

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HatsontheWardrobe · 21/02/2018 13:06

man, not MN !

HatsontheWardrobe · 21/02/2018 13:05

maladriot The boundaries between friendship and professional relationships are incredibly blurred in both the political and the charity sector; partly because work strays into personal lives - including the involvement of spouses and children - and also because the hours require colleagues to spend far more time together than your usual 9-5 or even shift work ( in the aid sector, colleagues also live together when deployed).

Laura Pidcock has said publicly that she won't be "friends" with Tory MPs, and by doing so, I believe she has limited her own career. Cross-party Groups and even Select Committees bring MPs and senior professionals with differing party allegiances together to champion a common cause and this work extends way beyond the meeting round the table - discussions over coffee, fact finding trips, joint writing of papers late into the evening take the relationship way beyond a formal, professional one. Those personal relationships are an important part of developing trust and how the sector works.

If a female MP refuses to work with a MN who has a reputation for sexual harassment, it will be her, not him, who will be ostracised.

Similarly, women in many male dominated sectors find themselves working for, or alongside, men like BC, and even if they are not a target themselves, they know of their reputation. Do they resign on principle, so damaging their career?

Popchyk · 21/02/2018 13:04

In the interview I watched she said "we all know men who have done things we don't approve of...we need to work through this together."

Why is Brendan Cox's sexual harassment the responsibility of Jess Phillips to help fix? I cannot imagine what is going through her head.

Bad enough that sexual harassment occurs in the first place and then we need to help rehabilitate the offender? What help are the actual victims of sexual harassment getting? Where is the focus on that?

maladroit · 21/02/2018 12:48

Yes. I don't have any friends who think it's ok to sexually harassed or assault someone. If I found out any of my friends did this, they would very quickly no longer be a friend. If Jess Phillips etc want to stand by their friend fine, but don't minimise their actions, absolve them of blame and make out they are just a victim of the culture just as we all are. Especially don't do that if you have condemed people who aren't in your political tribe for lesser crimes, it makes you look like a mighty hypocrite.

HatsontheWardrobe · 21/02/2018 12:44

In the interview I watched she said "we all know men who have done things we don't approve of...we need to work through this together."

That sums up the attitude of a lot of women in Westminster (and beyond) at the moment, I think.

The reality for a lot of women who want to shatter those glass ceilings and increase female representation where it's needed is that in order to do so, they are working alongside men who they discover are sexist, misogynistic, harassing and abusive.

Currently, the 'balance of power' is still with those men; women who want to operate in those environs find themselves working alongside men who represent everything those women are fighting against. There's no option to exclude those men by calling them out - they are the majority - so in order to stay there, women have to hold their noses and work within that culture - taking action against individuals where they can without causing so many ripples that their own career ends.

Kikashi · 21/02/2018 12:31

nauticant - yes, spot on!

The thing is people like Jess Philips are actually encouraging this attitude. In the interview I watched she said "we all know men who have done things we don't approve of...we need to work through this together."

Things we don't approve of?- who does?

nauticant · 21/02/2018 12:15

"Damn, I've been found out abusing women. Hello? Women? Could one of you sort this out for me? Ta very much."

derxa · 21/02/2018 12:02

I'm surprised at how few comment pieces there are on this and I read a lot of newspapers.

maladroit · 21/02/2018 12:01

AmericanPastoral yes, the WEP has been disappointing elsewhere but Sophie's article on this is perfect. What an arrogant twat, excepting women to do the heavy lifting of even his apology for being a sexually aggressive pig, as if he is not intelligent enough to work it out for himself. I'm so glad she's called him out so publicly, after the wishy washy "oh this is disappointing, we all need to learn from this and culture needs to change" statements from the likes of Jess Phillips. Sophie puts the blame for what happen, and the onus for who needs to improve it, squarely where it belongs.

LangCleg · 21/02/2018 11:52

Dear Brendan

www.freedomprogramme.co.uk/men.php

Complete this course. Going by what we have observed so far, you may need to repeat it a few times before you actually get it.

The provision of this link is the full extent of the effort we women are prepared to go to in order to enable you to escape from the very large hole that you dug yourself.

Sincerely

Women

AmericanPastoral · 21/02/2018 11:41

Excellent article by Sophie Walker -
Dear Brendan,

I met you once last year at an event for International Women’s Day. We talked for about 10 minutes and have had no contact since, so I was surprised when you wrote a private message to me at the weekend via Twitter asking for advice.

I saw your resignation statement – the announcement that you were standing down from charity work in response to claims of harassment and sexual assault - and was immediately struck by the way in which you presented as an apology something that seemed to minimise and dismiss even those instances of “inappropriate” behaviour you acknowledge. These were several years ago, you said (as though the passage of time made them smaller) and you never acted in bad faith. How often have we seen such apologies for apologies since the start of the #MeToo campaign?

I tweeted how deficient yours was as a mea culpa and within minutes a private message from you landed. “Would be good to talk to you about your views on what I should do,” you wrote.

Forgive me, but my first thought was to wonder how many women received similar messages asking how you can improve your ways—or at least appear to do so.

I wonder if you even understand what you’ve done.

First there is your history at Save the Children. Harassment is the result of a power imbalance. I believe that you are clever enough to know this. I believe that you understand, as many men do, that arguing over what does or doesn’t constitute harassment, what was or wasn’t intentional, isn’t the point. Did you ever pursue anyone who could fire you? Anyone who could say no without fearing the consequences?

You asked for advice, Brendan, so here’s some: Stop pursuing women in order to make yourself feel better. I don’t just mean you should avoid harassing women - that should really go without saying. Stop asking women to help you fix your mistakes or forgive you for them.

Secondly, there’s your statement. “My actions were never malicious but they were at times inappropriate” is the defence of a man who seems to not have not taken the time to reflect on the influence you wield. Ask yourself why you acted the way did.

You don’t get a free pass just because you might be doing good things in other parts of your life. As your example and the scandal roiling Oxfam illustrate, that can make things worse, because directly or indirectly the repercussions hit some of the most vulnerable.

Nobody should be surprised that supposedly good men do bad things. When I read your statement, I thought of some of the men I encounter in my work as a feminist activist. There are old-fashioned, unvarnished sexists and then there are the ones who are blinded by their own sense of virtue. Like the man who stands too close to me when he comes to ask questions after a talk I’ve given. The man who explains the importance of his experiences because he cares about women and demands I stand in silent acknowledgement until he is finished. To show that while I may think I have power, he still has more. That I have just as much power as he lets me have.

Luckily there are also many men who are true allies to women, men with whom I am glad to work and glad to know. They understand that you can’t make space for other people unless you take up less space yourself.

You can do better: by stepping back. Redefine the fundamentals of advocacy that you and other men in the aid sector have so badly stained. To empower the vulnerable, those with power must give it without limit or condition. Say sorry and mean it, and then go away.

I hope this helps.

Sophie link Interesting how relatively little coverage this has got.

maladroit · 20/02/2018 23:53

Dozer there is not a chance she was unaware, it was in the press shortly after she was elected. There is no chance she, as a new MP, would have been unaware of a major story about her husband, for the PR implications if nothing else.

maladroit · 20/02/2018 21:14

There must have been one hell of an elephant in the room in the DFID Select Committee this morning. "Yes yes, we care about safeguarding women and children, it's the fabric of our charity's existence". How can they say this with a straight face?

nauticant · 20/02/2018 21:05

Just for background, Justin Forsyth originally worked for Oxfam and then worked for Gordon Brown as a senior advisor along with Brendan Cox.

After Brown lost the General Election in 2010, Justin Forsyth became CEO of Save the Children and brought Brendan Cox on board. This set the scene for them both to harrass the young female staff with both eventually having to leave in 2015. In both cases, they were able to resign before a full investigation of their abuse could be carried out.

Save the Children looks to be an unpleasant place for young women to work over 2010 to 2015. (And probably outside those dates too.) There was a former Save the Children colleague of Brendan Cox interviewed on PM (The World at One) who, although she left the charity some years ago, and is now working in a pretty remote part of northern Canada, was clearly still too scared to speak openly about what went on.

Dozer · 20/02/2018 20:31

I hope jo cox didn’t know this about her H.

maladroit · 20/02/2018 20:26

Well whaddya know. Impossible for an organisation to take a stand against a senior member of staff harassing/assaulting junior women, when the most senior member of staff is harassing junior women with impunity.

For these men and organisations to then profess to give a shit about human rights really elicits a hollow laugh.

nauticant · 20/02/2018 17:04

There's going to be an expanded version of the story from lunchtime about Save the Children on BBC PM in a few minutes.

PilarTernera · 20/02/2018 13:29

I was wondering why JP would agree to give an interview like that.

He still has powerful friends who consider it in their interests to defend him is probably the answer.

nauticant · 20/02/2018 13:15

An interesting piece on Brendan Cox on The World at One (Radio 4) just now. It all comes down to nepotism, a rotten culture, young women not being confident enough to defend themselves, and a sense that he still has powerful friends who consider it in their interests to defend him.

It's not hard to see why the women don't want to go on the public record over this.

Lottapianos · 20/02/2018 11:17

'O Brien is also BFFs with Paris 'Grab Me By The Throat Because Its Sexy' Lees.'

Just 10 minutes ago, he described Paris Lees as a 'wonderful, wonderful person' Hmm Angry

Totally agree about Nick Ferrari's actual agenda too

Thisusernamethingistricky · 20/02/2018 10:41

Nick Ferrari roasting BC about this has nothing to do with supporting women and everything to do with the fact he hates lefty Brocialists.

James O Brien is one of these people who likes to think he is right on, but again he reaction to Cox shows that he doesn't actually really care all that much about women, only his own self image. O Brien is also BFFs with Paris 'Grab Me By The Throat Because Its Sexy' Lees.

Lottapianos · 20/02/2018 07:48

'I cant stand James O'Brien and am not suprised he me-railed the whole thing. He has form'

Also extremely unsurprised to hear this. Thinks he's a champion feminist though, coz he has daughters doncha know? Hmm

Gobbolinothewitchscat · 20/02/2018 00:05

Nick Ferarri this morning was far mess forgiving on BC

Gobbolinothewitchscat · 20/02/2018 00:05

I cant stand James O'Brien and am not suprised he me-railed the whole thing. He has form

hilbobaggins · 19/02/2018 22:11

James O’Brien did an hour on this today. It was...strange. He failed to even mention the women BC had assaulted and somehow managed to centre himself as the victim in the conversation (“why are people giving me twitter abuse about BC?”). All the callers were men; there were no female voices at all.

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