I've had it with Lush

You know what though I didn't feel anything like that. I felt flustered and rude and quite panicky after. I was so wound up and kept going on about it to the person I was with and just couldn't relax.

Just makes me wonder how we're all going to feel as this stuff gets worse.

@Pepvixen Etsy? Bonus is you are supporting small business.

Does anyone know a good alternative for bath bombs and massage bars? We buy loads of those for christmas/bday presents. Would like to shop elsewhere now...

In awesome homage to Maverick

I wish I was as clear thinking and articulate as you in situations like this.

I usually go home, fume for hours and come up with a beautiful riposte 48 hours later.

Sigh.

The Lush rep on Twitter has just kindly explained the meaning of cis.

What enrages me most about the Lush campaign is the assumption that it's OK to tell female customers (women must be >90% of their customers) what to do - and that they will meekly comply. It clearly hasn't crossed the mind of anyone in Lush that women might not like being ordered around. I find it impossible to imagine a retailer aimed at men behaving in the same way.

Maverick

To their credit though, when I went to the spa once they asked (on the phone when I was booking) if I preferred a female therapist or if I was fine with a make therapist, and were very clear that if I wanted a female then a female I would get

OK, so what would have happened if they had had a TIM on their therapy staff? Either they would have treated him as a male in this situation - in which case, they are total hypocrites (given the campaign) - or they would have foisted him on you, ignored your preferences and made you feel like a bigot if you complained.

I'm not surprised at all.

I went into Lush at Christmas, first time in about 2 years. I couldn't find the men's shaving cream so I asked a member of staff and specifically said "I can't find the men's shaving cream, would you be able to point me in the right direction". She launched into a full on rant about how they don't have a men's section anymore and started a big schpeel about gender and trans in the most patronising of voices as if I was being a bigot. I cut her off (I never do this) and said "I didn't ask you about gender or transsexuals, I asked you where the men's shaving cream was, but if Lush are going to be peddling the stuff that is trying to remove women's rights then I will shop elsewhere". I walked out absolutely fuming and it took me quite a while to calm down.

Lush have lost the plot.

They are doing it for the same cynical reasons as the Labour Party. Marketing to the youth money. It could backfire though as the tween market is very much bankrolled by parents like me.

This. My nearly 11yo DD loves Lush products. Like me, she has overly dry, sensitive skin and their bath bombs, lips balms and body lotions have been wonderful for us. But I won't be spending another penny on their products. The Trans-pushing is bad enough, but to learn of the kissing and naked campaign stunts - fucking horrific! Especially in light of the fact most of their employees fall into the 'young, easily pressured female' category Shame on you, Lush!

I will be looking into alternatives pronto.

Interesting insight into the lush corporate culture.

To their credit though, when I went to the spa once they asked (on the phone when I was booking) if I preferred a female therapist or if I was fine with a make therapist, and were very clear that if I wanted a female then a female I would get (I did want).

If the uk govt pushes through self id and does nothing to safeguard women's rights that doesn't mean that most companies will suddenly start to donate to trans activist groups. It will be a legal position not a sudden mass political conversion.

Trans inclusive policies are fine btw. Obviously all companies should not discriminate against anyone. That's not the same as actively promoting and funding political activists.

I think the behaviour of Lush around the kissing campaign and the naked campaign is more than just a few bad managers, but I guess you don't agree with that.

assassinated I mean, they're a bit of a crap company, but I like their products and some of their stuff is the only thing that works for me (notably their lip balms) so I'm not going to cut off my nose to spite my face and stop buying something just because a few people have been treated badly by managers.

I worked in Tesco and had a total witch for a manager, and wasn't supported at all during work even though I have a disability. I still do my shop in tesco though, because I like their products.

And once again, it doesn't have to be different, but where do you draw the line? Will you become a hermit if society moves forward and more companies support trans inclusive policies/donate to trans charities?

Lush vouchers are my lazy go-to for tweens. But this time the virtue signalling has gone too far.

And what madness that How to be a Trans Ally thing is on the website. Suggesting ‘Hello Ladies and Gentlemen’ is exclusionary. It is a fucking welcome!

People have always avoided buying from companies who support political aims, campaigns and so on that they disagree with. Why should this be different?

Presumably you're ok with all the other issues about Lush raised on this thread? Why should that stop anyone from buying their products, right?

Lush have a loooong history of pig headed campaigns. I remember one when they goaded Anita Roddick for selling The Body Shop to L'Oreal? I also remember how badly they treated front line staff who complained about the shop doors always having to be open in all weathers.

Products are fab but management, HR and internal comms are shocking. They could do so much better.

I'm pretty sure that Lush do not, and have never had, a HR department. Which is shocking when you think how big they are.

Everyone that wasn't my question. You believe that trans rights infringe on women's rights, I do not, and I have read all the threads on here and all the links to all the websites.

Again, if you are going to boycott Lush over this single product (which is fine, I doubt they'll mind/notice) are you going to boycott every single company that supports trans rights? Will you quit your job if your employer supports trans rights? Pull your children out of school? Stop shopping in supermarkets?

Where do you draw the line? Because it just seems really silly to me to stop buying products that you like and that work well for you, just because the company also makes a product you don't want to buy.

People on this thread support women and children's rights as well as trans people loops. Have a look at woman's place for more information if you are interested.

They have also supported an animal rights charity that actively campaigns against CRUK and CRUK at the same time.

Ha ha ha. Maybe they will fund #WPUK as well as promoting trans ideology.

I am not bothered by this at all, in fact I'll probably buy the product in support.

But I am genuinely interested, are all the people who are now going to boycott Lush planning on boycotting every company who comes out in support of the trans community? What if they all do?

This just seems like cutting of your nose to spite your face, especially if you really like some of their products. I get not buying this particular product and not having your money support that cause, but I don't think it'll be long before all companies are showing their support. Especially as Pride is coming up, and Pride includes trans people.

Haven’t read the rest of the thread but....

Lush are the company that asked staff to turn up for work naked, to protest excess packaging

Are you kidding?? they were taken to court in 2006 for not complying with packaging regulations!!!

I am sad...I loved Lush looks like it’s ren and aromatherapy associates all the way from here.

@colouringinagain me too, not that they will listen.

What about being an ally to women, protecting women’s sports & spaces?

We women are supposed to move over to make room for men and their feelz. What we need and want is of no importance.

Seriously pissed off about this. Dd13 is a huge fan.

Have tweeted them for what it's worth