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If you're pro Self ID for trans people please could you explain it to me?

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ReluctantCamper · 17/02/2018 09:53

I have never debated with anyone who's pro self ID because they invariably post 'transwomen are women' on threads and never return.

When I have arrived at a thought out position I'm keen to debate it with others who think differently to test my reasoning - that's how I feel now.

I know we have a number of pro self ID lurkers - anyone feel like explaining to me why it's a good idea?

I promise to carefully read what you say and take it seriously, I don't promise to agree.

Come on, it's my birthday, someone treat me!

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ReluctantCamper · 17/02/2018 10:04

therefore if you start including people in a sex class (i might like to sign up to that!) by their gender, not on the basis of their sex, you make that classification useless surely?

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HermioneWeasley · 17/02/2018 10:04

Just another woman

Any woman should be happy to get undressed in front of her, have her provide intimate medical care, or have her shower next to their daughter.

Lovely.

If you're pro Self ID for trans people please could you explain it to me?
LittleLebowski · 17/02/2018 10:04

there's plenty of room for more women in the world

Even ones with erections?

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ReluctantCamper · 17/02/2018 10:04

I should have said thanks for delurking and replying Glitched and Justanotherzombie.

but sex is important. People have needs that are unique to their sex. I will never need a prostate examination for example. Isn't it important to be able to correctly identify what sex class people belong to?

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jeaux90 · 17/02/2018 10:03

Sorry I can't think of anything good about Self ID. We already have a process that supports people with GD and those who have had SRS and have a GRC are protected in law as are women.

Keep the AGP's out of my spaces thanks.

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ReluctantCamper · 17/02/2018 10:01

Trying to be less verbose, I guess what I'm saying is the majority of the english speaking world have a very clear understanding of the word woman which does not include people who can produce sperm.

Why do we need to change the definition of that word? What benefit does it bring?

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Glitched · 17/02/2018 10:01

Because we accept that trans people are the gender they claim to be and the decent thing to do is be inclusive.

TheGoldenBough · 17/02/2018 10:00

To me they are simply extra women.

Really?

Even when they are replacing 'actual' women?

Do you really believe that they are no different to women? Even though they have been socialised as men and have different needs to men and still talk and behave and prioritise their own needs and wants as men?

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ReluctantCamper · 17/02/2018 09:59

Adult human of the sex class that produces eggs and gestates young have unique healthcare needs, therefore we need a word to be able to identify them as a class. Currently if you consult a dictionary, that word is woman.

Why do we need to change the meaning of a well understood word. Why not just have a different word for members of the sex class that produces gametes, especially spermatozoa, with which a female may be fertilized or inseminated to produce offspring who wish to wear dresses or skirts and have longer hair than other members of that sex class?

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Justanotherzombie · 17/02/2018 09:55

Because it's not for me to decide who anyone else is and there's plenty of room for more women in the world. To me they are simply extra women.

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