If you're pro Self ID for trans people please could you explain it to me?

It probably goes without saying that trans activists don’t like the term and would probably call you a TERF for using it!

Missing TIM stands for trans identifying male. This has become a common term for gender critical feminists to use in preference to using ‘transwoman’ as many feminists feel that this term sounds like a subset of women.

What does Tim and mit stand for?

Had a very chilled out evening with a few mates tonight and have not really ever talked to them about this... they are all centre-left 30 something blokes, let's all get along, live and let live... managed to peak trans them instantly with the sports issue - helped nicely by Hannah Mouncey/Laurel weightlfter... although did pro trans the super-sporty one of them for a while when he realised he could self ID and become a world-class athlete even in his 30s based on his scores v the world class women's scores...

Bewilder, thank you for sharing that excellent article.

they and their families and worked so hard on this kind of thing

This was also my experience working with youngsters with ASC. I worked in a special unit within a mainstream school. Social interactions and expectations were probably the number one concern for the students themselves and their parents. We ran sessions for them about friendships, dating etc, using social stories and discussion.

Flamingo. Damn those wormholes! The above tweet had a response criticising Kevin's view of his femininity, to which he immediately backtracked and said he didn't mean ALL women, and he has a new phone which is why he typed the wrong thing. Hilarious!

I'm not sure Kev is going to win the admiration of Lees et al at this rate. He is not remotely aggressive enough to be a proper TRA.

Italian yes exactly. It drives me particularly nuts as I worked for years with teenaged boys with Autism and with learning difficulties which made it still harder for them to figure out social rules and expectations, and they and their families and worked so hard on this kind of thing. Any of them could easily make an accidental social mistake and they'd all prefer people just simply telling them so in plain terms without dressing it up in social clutter to try and unpack. The last thing that would have helped them was women making special exceptions or treating them differently because of their needs, they wanted the information to know how to do things by themselves.

That was nine years ago and yet it is impossible for women to talk about male violence without someone bringing the NAMALT as though we are children in need of correction.

@Myunicornfliessideways "Interesting reading the comments on that article bewilderness . Somewhat depressing to see women immediately saying 'but what if the man setting off your warning signals/invading your boundaries has Autism?"

I know it is crazy because women have autism too and can find social situations extremely difficult. So as one poster said, I will be having the conversation with my aspie son much younger than I expected or words to that affect!

@thebewilderness Thank you for posting this. Fabulously terrible. And so fucking sad.

kateharding.net/2009/10/08/guest-blogger-starling-schrodinger%E2%80%99s-rapist-or-a-guy%E2%80%99s-guide-to-approaching-strange-women-without-being-maced/

I don't believe that the sex of a woman is defined by her genitals (eg. I still would think of females born without vaginas as women) however I do believe the sex of a woman is defined by her chromosomes.

@Datun, I asked "Any tips of how to do this without losing my humanity!?"

You said "Asking, sorry, demanding that women retain their rights is not showing a lack of humanity to anyone."

I know, I phrased that badly. What I should have said is that I used to care deeply about trans people and their rights. The longer I read all this shit (the male nurse thing was another peak on the Trans women are/boys in Girl Guides and males wanting to work at 'domestic violence' refuges thing for me!

I'm not even sure anymore how the laws work. When I say I want a female health care provider, can I wait until a female arrives, or is a male with a GRC legally female now, even though we know they are not!

I'm now less caring, I feel, I'm not saying others are (at all). I am saying I am less caring.

Interesting reading the comments on that article bewilderness . Somewhat depressing to see women immediately saying 'but what if the man setting off your warning signals/invading your boundaries has Autism? Or you're acting from subconsciously ingrained racial/cultural prejudice?'

Because obviously it's the job of a woman to check she has thorough met a man's potential needs and is being scrupulously fair before she can be allowed do something that may hurts his feelings. Even to protect herself when he's the aggressor and the one behaving badly and she is scared.

Here is a link to the appropriate response (in my opinion) to NAMALT.
kateharding.net/2009/10/08/guest-blogger-starling-schrodinger%E2%80%99s-rapist-or-a-guy%E2%80%99s-guide-to-approaching-strange-women-without-being-maced/

Kevin.

That's just...brilliant

Sorry, bit of a tangent, but I’ve been down a TRA Twitter wormhole and came across this gem. Kevin is more feminine than people who were born female. Even though he can’t even be bothered to give himself a female name on the internet- which really couldn’t be easier!

Penises are female organs, and Kevin is a woman’s name. 😂

They absolutely do exist. The overall numbers as Langcleg has said though are tiny. A few are at the forefront of this (have had the surgery, dress as women, use men's toilets and do not assume the label "woman") and stand with us but I believe many many others of this small community are far too scared to take a stand.

I believe they exist too although agree there's probably far fewer of them than I've previously been thinking.

Looking at it in terms of men, lots of them claim to be feminist allies, but in reality very few of them get it and understand the concept of male privilege. Some really do seem to get it -- Miranda Yardley and Gabriel Blessing (?) are two voices on Twitter that I'm grateful for.

(But I'm also aware of a knee jerk tendency in myself to value the opinions of men more which bears examining. New to all this)

I think im of the mind that they can self identify all they want, but they just dont get any of the actual legal rights until they snip their bits off. As for competing in sports etc, Im not entirely sure how that would work, perhaps there needs to be a completely separate section, as even with hormones i assume someone who used to be a man would still have a distinct advantage over a woman, even if they were taking hormones.

At a slight tangent to the conversation, I'm really getting sick of the NAMALT argument. Scandal after scandal after scandal, from abuse among Catholic priests, to Rotherham to the BBC to Jimmy Saville to Harvey Weinstein to Oxfam, and STILL the NAMALT arguments is being bleated at us at every opportunity.

Fuck. That.

Maybe not all men rape, but it's becoming clear to me that an awful are willing to stand by and let it happen.

This is a form of harassment, which should not be facilitated by discrimination law.

I wonder if the nice, doesn't want to step on women toes, knows they are not female, transexuals, ever existed. At least in the numbers people are claiming?

I think they did (if my own friend is anything to go by). But no, not in the numbers that people are claiming. The population of such people is tiny. While the population of males with paraphilia-influenced identity disorders is comparatively large.

Not every male has a sexual motive for transition (ie, gay males wanting to sleep with straight men aka HSTS, third gender etc; straight males getting off on feminine presentation aka AGP). There are some people with catastrophic body dysmorphia and some people who are genuinely in retreat from masculinity.

But these people have nothing whatsoever to do with transactivism or transactivists and the reason we don't hear from them is not that they're the silent majority - it's that the population is tinier than tiny.