This woman is all of us.

Any LM quoting "conversation" therapy.

Thanks, DarthArts.

The MRA Madigan got caught in a lie so they just started blocking everyone who asks for a correction.

Me too but you can still see the tweets if you search for LM's account in a browser without signing in to Twitter.

I am blocked from the MRA Madigan's tweeter.

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I note that despite being publicly corrected LM is still saying the transgender trend booklet supports "conversion" therapy (note: it supports conversation therapy ie counselling). Also note LM acknowledged the correction.

LM obviously feels misquoting is not problematic when being used to support your dogma.

Never let the truth get in the way of a good sound bite hey......

4th rule of misogyny: Women's opinions are violence against men thus male violence against women is justified.

Are terfs causing "death, hunger and homelessness" to all young people, or just a particular subset?
Just seems weird for a statement by LM not to have AATTATT in it...

What an absolute knob.

Mind you, I hope they keep posting, it’s all evidence for future referencing.

We're worse than Tories according to Lily. I'm not sure Lily is even Labour tbh - just using the Labour Party as a vehicle.

twitter.com/madigan_lily/status/966054484714708992

and cause death, hunger and homelessness to young people.

Wow, so we caused neoliberalism, the world economic crash, cold weather, high house prices, increasing university fees, and and the collapse of the welfare state? I never realized I'd been so busy.

Lily Madigan is now making the extraordinary claim that TERFs are not feminists - and cause death, hunger and homelessness to young people. Okaaaayyyyy Lily.

I mean, it's just more ludicrous every day - Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminists Lily. That's what you call us. Although the enlightened amongst us (ie nearly everyone on MN ) know this means Telling Everyone Real Facts.

I think Lily is just doing this to get a rise now.

Very disturbing to read that article re. Pharma & trans*ing young people/children with puberty blockers & hormones - what is it they always say? Follow the Money.

I'm very scared for our children at the moment.

I follow so many young feminists on Twitter who regard misgendering as the equivalent of tarring and feathering, mainly because trans activists have told them it's an act of violence. I think misgendering as a provocation doesn't do any good to the legitimate arguments that feminists need to make to coax the younger generation into considering the issues. We make it too easy for the trans activists if we do something they can point to as violence, even though I feel enormously tired at the whole preferred pronoun malarky. Rightly or wrongly, it invalidates the rest of what we are saying and thinking in the eyes of a large group of young people who have been persuaded that trans rights are MORE IMPORTANT than any other form of rights, be they LBG or feminist or social, and we need to get them to hear us too.

My jaundiced take on the Equality Act is that the circumstances matter. If you are talking about whether Heather Peto stood previously for election then clearly you can use the old name and probably pronouns too. It would be unreasonable to think that this was an attack motivated simply by Heather’s transgender identity.

If it’s an ad hominem attack then you are on shaky ground. The more vicious the things you say the less likely you will be considered reasonable to use biologically correct pronouns because in that circumstance it looks like an attack on identity.

In short if you want to let of steam use the preferred pronouns and the new name then rant away.

It wasn't that long ago that a thread like this would need assistance from specific Gender Critical MNers in arguing the point. Now, people arguing the point and with very clear awareness are everywhere. Way to go everyone. Keep on keeping on.

Women lie for the sake of male ego but also out of caution.
I will not lie for men for any reason any more, but I understand why some women do and why they teach the next generation to do so.

I find that thing where people are willing to hand out "correct" pronouns to trans women who they think are nice but not to the ones who're not pretty patronizing, tbh. I know I don't mean it, if the person I'm talking to knows me at all they know I don't mean it too, so why the charade? It both undercuts the idea that male people can't be women by implying that some can if we like them enough and treats the person you're talking to like a dog who you're giving a treat for rolling over. Bothers me. If I like someone I'd rather not patronize them.

Ouchbirthhurted

The process you outlined, is spot-on.

And I do believe it's a deliberate, highly organised set of stages. Going back 10 years or more.

Unfortunately (or fortunately), transactivists being the misogynistic, blind twits they are, have no idea of the collective power and voice that women can acquire.

Steeped in male socialisation, they truly believe their own PR.

That women will sit down, shut up, and do what they're told.

It never ceases to amaze me how some men are blind to the point of irrationality, when it comes to women.

If you think someone is spouting bollocks, and you'd say they were spouting bollocks then you'd be discriminating if you didn't say they spouting bollocks on the basis that they were trans. Treat all people who spout bollocks equally.

That mirror article is terrible. I don't think your average reader is thinking about whether someone identified as a 'woman' might actually be a man.

That's very good to know Janice. All most of us want - all - is for clear daylight to be shone on this, for all sides of it to be shared openly with the general public. People have the right to make an informed choice.