This woman is all of us.

I think instead of skeptical woman I'm actually old man playing around with his phone and not even trying to look interested.

They can't discuss the whole trans argument rationally because logic, science and common sense would piss all over it, which is why they pushed the no debate/no platforming so strongly.

If anything is asked we get shouted down as Terfs to deflect from having to answer.
Like a child sticking their fingers in their ears and going na na na na, can't hear you.

Transgender women ARE women.

They are not.

I saw this photo on twitter last night, and it did make me laugh. Looks such a miserable meeting - why are they all sat at the edge like that?? I assume there's more people in the middle of the room - but it's looks most odd.

Don't worry Gamer MN is a safe space where facts are allowed to stand. It's OK to say them out loud, you won't be censored.

Transwomen are men

See it's easy. Try it. The facts will set you free.

RE Down With Cis, how exactly does he propose to go about this? I mean, us evil cissies are 99.9% of the population, and I don't have much faith in the ability of TRAs to keep a country running.

Gamer doesn't seem massively keen/able to support any of their assertions. Quelle surprise.

I 100% approve the trolly goodness of "circumgender". Drives TRAs up the wall.

Gamer, I believe childcare is still the biggest obstacle for women achieving. I wonder has the transwoman even given that a thought.

Even though transwomen have experience, fly on the wall so to speak, of how men talk about women when there are no women present, transwomen reach positions of power by bullying real women and do not care about sexual exploitation in all its various forms.

The whole photo is hilarious. Everyone looks unbelievably bored except the bloke with the handbag.

I thought the same. I actually laughed out loud looking at that poor “audience”.

Looks like a Y9 class on a Friday afternoon during double Physics.😂

I've never actually heard the pro trans arguments first hand because they invariably plop and run.

When I believe something you can't bloody stop me talking about why it's right and how I got to my position. I am mystified.

Circumgender 😂 Thanks for the link too, there's a quiz I could take. Apparently I don't hate women enough to be one.

The problem, gamer, is that this person is the women's officer, not the LGBT officer, therefore their job is to talk about women's issues, not trans issues.

Lily/Liam runs an anti-women's facebook group. Down with Cis [ie normal] women. Like a Black Rights officer running a down-with
-the-blacks facebook group.

You cannot make this shit up.

Yes CharisMater, they want to own the word 'woman' without the 'trans' to reduce us to some shite subset of 'less than woman' to show we are beneath them as they clearly make better women than us actual women.

circumwhatnow? lol.

@Gamer, come back. I'm ready to be convinced that transwomen are women.

"Oh wait do they harangue women because they are infact still men?"

Had to unsubscribe from elephant journal when that waldron guy posted an article saying rose mcgowan was not cool, I clicked on the article and it was a transwoman shouting at rose mcgowan, yelling what have you done for women. omg the irony. R McG handed over her reputation to speak out. A trans woman can have NO idea how brave rose mcG was.

Not to worry, Njord, you can be circumgender.

gendertrender.wordpress.com/2014/07/21/circumgender/

Reading something on fb recently, posts from a less thoughtful informed group of women than mn, and now it seems to be just parlance that transwomen are referred to in an article as women and women are ciswomen. We need the qualifying adjective. Tiz bullshit alright.

Trans women are not women.

He was elected by men so that when women ask why a teenage boy, who knows fuck all about womens issues or just being an actual woman, is now womens officer, they can smirk at us whilst telling us that he is a woman and we must all be transphobic to deny this.

He is also clearly easily minipulated. Something they wouldn't have been able to do with an older, experienced woman.

I can't wait until this whole 'trans women are women bollocks' blows over, because it will.
Trans women are men wanting to be women, but they will always be men wanting to be women and never women, no matter how much they harangue real women with their male aggression.

Oh wait do they harangue women because they are infact still men?

And on it goes.

I am glad though that there are so many really women actually saying they've had enough of it all now.

If transwomen are women can I be one then? No. Why not? Because I'm not a man.

I'm sure you meant to say 'cute outfit' AngryAttackKittens

Gamer, Danielle Muscato is a transwoman. Please provide a definition of woman that includes that individual and me, but excludes Jeremy Corbyn.

If you are going to make assertions like 'Transwomen are women' I assume you have thoroughly thought this through and are therefore ready and keen to get into a reasoned, respectful debate.

Also it's a shame nobody recorded the meeting. It can't be just that tragic pinafore that has them all looking so bored.