This woman is all of us.

Transgender affirmation is designed to target non conforming children who may be Gays or Lesbians for conversion to transgender. That is pretty obvious by now, I think.

Labour appears to be clasping a viper to its bosom.

If Labour go after Nicholas Davies, things might get interesting.

Three rousing cheers for Nicholas Davies

You're words stand no bearing at all on the matter because in the UK, we have the Gender Recognition Act 2004.

Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual.

Thomas Jefferson

Gamer - if Lily Madigan didn't hate women, I'd be more open to what you're saying.

It's good to talk, as BT would say

What's wrong with conversation therapy, anyway???

Lily Madigan's latest witch hunt:

twitter.com/madigan_lily/status/964913680143015936

I swear it, the Labour Party will be burning books on the street soon.

Oh yeah of course, I've lost count of all of the rapey accounts I've set up for my sisters...

Is Liam really still living with his horribly abusive and transphobic family?

Weren't they the ones who started that 'fake' twitter account with the Jimmy Savile and rape jokes? As you do.

Gamer, I'm tempted not to get waylaid here, but anyway...

Have a read of Maddigans twitter.
See if you can find one tweet about women, that doesn't have the "trans" prefix

RB67, I'm not sure how autism was qualified in the research, SI or diagnosed. If I wasn't mid assignment now, I'd read it and see if I could find out.

Is Liam really still living with his horribly abusive and transphobic family? Lol. I'd happily give to a crowdfunding for whatever the fuck they wanted, whether it was wine or Netflix subscriptions, gym, whatever! Imagine, he's using WiFi YOU have worked to pay for to tweet his hateful posts.

You havent walked in her very young shoes. How about supporting another human being?

She hasn’t walked in my “very old” (woman’s) shoes. What’s she doing to support women (other than trans women)?

This particular young person being a woman's officer will be a woman for the rest of her life, and she deserves to participate and be represented.

By all means. But thus far there’s very little evidence of her representing women. Trans rights seem to be her primary focus, and her main talking point. All well and good, but hardly appropriate for that paricular post surely?

Gamer

Thanks for calling us all a bunch of narrow minded people. Thanks for describing our conversations as braying. And lets not forget the disgusting tone and attitude.
Thank you for calling us naysayers and describing what we consider important as indignation and bigotry.

Ans most of all all thanks so much for listening to us with a mind so open your brains fell out.

I remember that 10 years ago, I thought the world was heading in a better and more progressive direction. I thought things could only get better and more tolerant.

Now it's 2018 and a teenage boy is telling me that I am not as much of a woman as he is. I will be sent death threats if I dare challenge this in any way. Okaaaaayyyy then.

Madigan is very much the sort of student politician that has always been around: first and foremost an attention-seeker, who gets off on playing the victim and on bullying other people.
But this is also a young person who is being manipulated and used, probably by people with several different agendas - hard left Labour members who want to cause disruption within the party; broflakes who want to get rid of all those tiresome feminists who complain about mansplaining and want the men to make room for women; people with right-of-centre views who want to use the likes of Madigan to prove that identity politics is stupid and political correctness has Gone To Far...

Gamer I suggest YOU give the GRA a good read and when you've done that you give the equality act a good read

GRA makes it possible to legally change sex after 2 years living as a woman + diagnosis of GD. Lily does not have a GRC and is therefore legally male. Lily has claimed to have a GRC but the timeline doesn't add up. Lily hasn't been living as a woman for long enough.

The EA says that 'women' are people of the female sex. That is actual women (old fashioned cunty sort) and transwomen with a GRC (whose legal sex is female). So not Lily. Lily is protected from discrimination under the EA because of the protected characteristic of 'gender reassignment', however Lily does not share the protected characteristic 'sex' with women.

The EA then has additional sex-based exceptions for single sex services, occupations etc. to be limited purely to old-fashioned cunty women and to exclude transwomen even where they have a GRC, as a proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim. Labour could if they wanted use that exception for 'women's officer' posts but they have chosen not to. It's not clear whether it's legal for them to have a post of 'women's officer' advertised as open to women only and then accept applications from self-ID'd transwomen with no GRC. It's almost certainly not legal for them to have all women shortlists that are open to self-ID'd transwomen as they are currently doing. AWS are a specifically named exception in the EA and are only legal based on the protected characteristic of sex.

We are so quick to stamp "otherness" and categorize "them" and "us".

Funny that it's the trans like lily that want real women categorized as cis. They want us to be something 'other'

She should not be angry that there isn't representation of her type of woman.

Why isn’t she ‘angry’ that there isn’t representation of her type of ‘man’? Why isn’t the category of ‘man’ being expanded to include ‘her’?

What are you losing by her participation?

Sex-segregated safe spaces (prisons, refuges, participation in sport, AWSs) etc etc....

feels they were born in the wrong body

The law is an ass.

What am I losing by her participation?

You maybe not. But a woman who also went for the role lost the role.

and all the women who need a woman's officer, well lets just remind you that Lily/Liam runs an anti-woman facebook group.

And Labour - losing women as their woman's officer is not in any way engaging with actual women.

Who wins here? A man. Yay go Labour.

I don't agree with some of the angrier posts here - but I accept that women are getting angry about the way they are being treated and it's not reasonable to expect them to go on goodnaturedly sucking up crap and being nice about it.

What am I losing by her participation?

As a trans officer, or a transwoman - nothing. That's great. I'll celebrate that gladly. Transwomen very welcome in my politics, and at this stage there should be All LGBT Shortlists and reserved positions to ensure that minority group have a voice.

As a woman's officer or a self identified woman? How long have you got. That is not a harmless agenda.