Urinals in the ladies

I hate unisex toilets.
See the thread about costa toilets.

LizzieSiddal you wont be able to report them as they will be lady penises as they are in the ladies and you will be a transphobe........

I don't care, tbh.
There's nothing wrong with being who you want to be but that doesn't mean you can infringe on others privacy.
If we have neutral toilets then take the urinals out and just have cubicles, problem solved. Well nearly, mens toilets stink and changing gender won't stop the huge smell coming from a man's dump.

What is actually happening is that groups of men are putting on male dominance displays by standing around in women's loos and changing rooms while the women wait for them to leave.

Because, as usual, the reasonable blokes aren't getting involved, leaving the boundary breakers to do what they want.

I know that DP, and both of my sons would prefer not to pee in urinals in front of strange women. The trouble is, that until they're forced to see this reality of gender neutral toilets, men just won't bother getting involved. The only way forward is that if the women's are gender neutral, so are the mens, and women have to go in there and use them.

Any man peeing in a urinal in the women's would surely get the piss taken out of them.
What is actually happening is that groups of men are putting on male dominance displays by standing around in women's loos and changing rooms while the women wait for them to leave.

It's all a bit confused isn't it.

I don't really buy into gender and sex being different things. However, since many do, trans people in particular, aren't toilets segregated by sex rather than gender?

So identify with whatever gender you choose, your gender can be female/male as you please, but we segregate bathrooms by sex as that is what determines the different ways of going to toilet, plus is the only way to keep it non-subjective.

The possibility of "all gender toilets" is a pretty good analogy for the wider issues of ignoring biology:

Imagine there are two toilet facilities. One has urinals in, the other has just stalls. Who can use the stalls? Everyone. Who can (easily) use the urinals? Just those with a penis. (Because biology.)

So if you have a penis, you have the choice of which you use - you can go for whatever has the shortest queue. One of your options is only of use to

why would a woman need a urinal when we don't have penises?
Any man peeing in a urinal in the women's would surely get the piss taken out of them.
I'd stand and laugh, tell them the mens is next door, wouldn't most people assume they'd made a mistake?

Well if we can use any toilet I'll be going on the one with the shortest queue.
Interestingly, i visited a pub where the women's toilets were out of use so they made the men's available to both sexes.
They put a sign on one door for women and the next one for men, both toilets within the men's section.
Every single man who came in did a double take and stepped back outside was told the women's were out of action, came back in, didn't use the urinals, looked embarrassed, stumbled around and finally went into a cubicle whilst avoiding eye contact t with the women.
The women were less embarrassed.

If I see a man using a urinal in a woman's toilet it won't be me who gets embarrassed.
We need to stop bowing down to this.
Let them inand make it clear it is them who are the 'others' and will be treated as such.

I’ve used some Women’s loos with a few little urinals for young boys - nearly made me walk out first time as i thought I’d taken a wrong turn into the mens.

I’m more concerned that men’s loos are bring left slone and women’s are becoming gender neutral. Did visit a family day out venue with this interesting set up.

According to Rocket News 24’s Meg Murphy, the urinals were installed at Shaanxi Normal University, where they were painted pink and adorned with giant signs asking the women to use the urinals instead of the stalls if possible, because it can save up to 160 tons of water a day.
www.mommyish.com/university-saves-160-tons-of-water-a-day-by-installing-urinals-in-the-womens-bathrooms/

Transmen will soon get fed up with having to queue for a cubicle in the ladies

To be fair, this hasn't happened. It wouldn't be a great idea, but it's important not to construct straw men.

If I see a Willy “out and about” I’ll be reporting it and it’s owner to the police.

i think we all just have to get used to seeing more willies out and about..

That BBC article links to this article from 2017www.standard.co.uk/news/london/barbican-to-review-genderneutral-toilets-after-furious-row-over-long-queues-for-women-a3509136.html
Barbican to review its gender-neutral toilets after furious row breaks out

The Barbican Centre will carry out a review after a furious row was sparked by its decision to scrap some male and female toilets in favour of "gender neutral" loos.

Signs outside the London art centre’s cinema screen have been changed to say "gender-neutral with cubicles" and "gender-neutral with urinals".

But the new facilities were slammed as "totally ridiculous" by broadcaster Samira Ahmed on Tuesday, who told the Barbican "women have enough trouble with queues without imposing your politics".

The point being Women voted with their feet and didn't want to use the gender neutral toilets when given the choice...

Women do not have a penis, therefore why would we need a urinal in a WOMENS loo?

They can fuck right off.

JellySlice

It is possible to have a penis and pee while sitting down. Why can't they just do that?

(We know why)

Also I once attempted to pee in a urinal in my drunken yoof and would not recommend it. Though to be fair it might be easier without the booze.

Women don't need urinals.
If transwomen are to use women's toilets, they should use them as women do. Otherwise, logically, their argument that "Transwomen are Women" doesn't stand up. Rather like a woman using the loo actually.
If Transwomen don't like this, they should find a toilet that has a urinal.

How transphobic! You obviously can't be a real woman because you don't know how to use a lady-dick!

Jon66 said

"What utter dribble"

Fixed that for you.👍😊

Do you think?

I read some of the literature (leaflets and similar) and that was definitely what it said.

That was about 20 years ago though. Maybe things have changed/moved on.

What utter drivel.

Surely they'd want to sit down to pee?

I had/have (although now just FB friends) a close friend with gender dysphoria and one of the symptoms noted in all of the literature they had on the subject was being frustrated at not being able to pee standing up. They were F to M, obvs.

And if they're wearing ladies clothing surely standing up to pee would be quite awkward?