Never thought I'd start a trans thread...

This morning I had the realisation about what is happening.

There are two groups.
Young trans people and TRA. They are young an optimistic. They have grown up in a world where being gay is the norm, where there is much more acceptance of ‘alternative’ life styles. They truly see the good in everyone. They want everyone to be accepted. They want to see the end of prejudice.

The other group is Older trans people and women like us.
We have been around the block a few times. We have met the men that we know will take advantage of this. We have been on the receiving end of men who are so depraved that they honestly will put on a dress and a wig just to gain access to a female safe space. The younger people just don’t believe that these men exist.
Also, we have been on the receiving end of blatant sexism. Don’t forget that it was only a few years ago that people needed training in the workplace about how not to sexually assault female work colleague. These men haven’t gone away.

Young trans people and their allies are going to have a very rude awakening when these men that they refuse to believe exist crawl out of the woodwork.

Meet your new boss, Miss Whiplash (and don't you dare misgender her you evil bigot)

The Board Room can be refitted as the dungeon, and have everyone shackled to the wall until they agree men are women.

Or diapered CEOs chairing meetings from a playpen 2 days a week.

Absolutely Sophocles. Kinkphobia is literal violence.

I know, right, tallullah? Would it be OK to bring your adult baby to work on Bring Your Kids To Work Day? If not, why not? It could be easily changed to Bring Your Kink To Work Day. And why not, eh. Only pearl-clutchers kink-shame, amirite?

Just wait til the Adult Babies start coming out of the woodwork

Yeah, God forbid it hurts Football! 😁I have to laugh or I'd cry!

IfNot - I know men don't believe in sex changes any more than women do (on the whole), but they have a culture of tolerating each others sex habits, so titty bars and porn at work is ok, sex with junior staff, prostitutes on business trips, ranking women at work on sex characteristics, are all fine, each to his own etc., and this is supported through a legal framework of libel, non disclosures, tribunals etc. And the legal framework is being erected even higher around these fetishes. This is why Oxfam can't sack a man prostituting women in a disaster, why Saville was allowed to do what he did, why this all goes on and on. Maybe now its hurting football we will see a change, but unless we all stop allowing sex drives to harm people by pretending it's diversity, we won't .

That's true mouth Women ask for permission. We need to stop that and be a lot more selfish.

You know what? I don't have a problem with AGPS in principle . I have known plenty of gay boys who like dressing up in sequins, and also straight boys who like wearing silk knickers. Sexuality can be strange and unseemly, and if you're not hurting anyone, then who am I to say you can't wank while wearing fishnets?
The problem is when AGPS say they ARE women.

And the thing is, men don't actually buy it! The men at Credit Suisse don't ACTUALLY believe Phil Bellend to be a woman. Allowing him to piss all over what being a woman in finance is actually like is a hostile act.
It's a great big "fuck you" to women.

I talked to DP about this whole thing, and explained the difference between gender dysphoric transsexuals and AGP men who are trying to get self id. He's really not a feminist, and normally zones out when I rant on, but he just rolled his eyes and said "look, if you are trying to get into changing rooms where teenage girls are, or work in a women's refuge, and you have a dick swinging between your legs you're up to no good." ( I paraphrase, it was more offensive than that).

People get it when you can get them to listen. The problem is the establishment (BBC, politicians etc) probably have more than their fair share of AGP men bloody running things!
I'm reminded of that film Personal Services, where all the high Court judges are paying to dress as schoolgirls and pretending to be lesbians. These are the men in charge God help us.

SophoclesTheFox
Is completely right.

Women make the mistake of being upfront about hours when they have kids. Men don't do this, they just take the time they want without mentioning it.

He's forcing 48,000 employees at CS to be complicit with his fetish.

They are not being asked for consent.

If they disagree they don't have a job at CS.

As Phil told Paris, "they will never amount to anything." And the "diversity" policy he has written will make sure of that at CS.

I'm paraphrasing, MrG. They made reference to the hours that the job "requires", how they want to "support her work-life balance" etc etc.

So in theory, yes, she could think about taking them to a tribunal, but being seen as an uppity troublemaker doesn't get you many jobs either, so...

This is a totally different group of people to the old school trans women. These are straight male pervs, nothing complicated about it. And the forcing women to participate is part of the fetish, not nearly as much fun for them if we were happy about it.

Sophocles - does that happen to men when they become fathers? Surely this is grounds for a lawsuit. If they literally said "your priorities have changed because you have a child now" but they don't do the same to fathers, isn't that clear discrimination?

And arseholes like Phil are useful idiots to use as window dressing for how seriously these companies take "gender issues" while the real sexism is happening elsewhere

A women at CS nominated him, that's the saddest thing, an arsehole fangirl thinks this dude can advise on women's careers. If she realised he was a fetishist would she still think that way? He explains to everyone its not sexual and he has written guidelines for CS saying its "Expression". Well that's fair enough mate but it's a MAN THING NOT A WOMAN THING.

I don't see why we couldn't widen the term sex education to cover not just physical and reproductive issues but also the social implications of having a sexed body.

Definitely not a good idea currently to have the word gender attached to it although the definition of gender as a social construct could be introduced at a later point after pupils fully understand what XX and XY mean.

Can you teach 'feminism' without provoking a back lash from boys and their parents?

No, you'd have to call it something else. Hopefully without the bloody word gender in it.

'History of the sexes'?

Meanwhile, this past week, one of my friends has been forced off the trading floor because she had the audacity to want to carry on her hedge fund career after having a child. Management making sad faces, giving it "we understand that you can't give as much as you used to, your priorities have changed, but the job is what it is".

So that's another woman out of a big money position and into the back room, but hey it's fine - she chose to do that!

I know that it's hard to care too much about some wealthy people being slightly less wealthy than other wealthy people, but it is still infuriariting and sexist and crap and it still happens, day in and day out and it makes me crazy. And arseholes like Phil are useful idiots to use as window dressing for how seriously these companies take "gender issues" while the real sexism is happening elsewhere.

That's apparently all it takes, these days, simon.

Beats the hell out of actually addressing the woeful sexism still rife in the city, eh? Just pop a frock on a bloke one day a week and that pesky pay gap starts to look a lot narrower. Back pats all round. Job done.

then what he actually does is make the situation look like it's getting better

Well he’s making the gender bonus gap smaller if he’s wearing his wife’s knickers when he picks it up

Phil Bunce can get stuffed, bringing his wank fantasies to work and having everyone fawn over him. Tit.

I work in the same industry and this week, one of our peers reported that they have a 70% bonus gap between male and female. 70-fucking-per-cent handicap for having a vagina. And what does Pip do to help address that? If they are deluded enough to record him as a woman (please don't be that dim, CS), then what he actually does is make the situation look like it's getting better, while he trousers the cash And meanwhile, picks up an award for womanning better than all the other women! The cheek! The brass neck of the man!

Fuck the fucking fuck off, Philip, you self centred bellend.

Ugh, bold fail.

*I've seen TIMs say that sleeping with a woman who is bi is all wrong, for them.

Because he worries she is enjoying his 'maleness', it doesn't make him feel like a woman.

Deeply suspicious that she is attracted to him as a man, not a woman.

Women can't win.*

I dunno, if AGP's don't want to sleep with me I'd definitely consider that a win.