Never thought I'd start a trans thread...

Anyone knows what a trans-medicalist is??

Can you teach 'feminism' without provoking a back lash from boys and their parents?
I don't explicitly teach feminism but the approach in PSHE is about equality and facilitating discussions.

I was very surprised in sex and relationships ed that so many of the class were quite gender criticial. The boys in particular were very vocal about consent and why both parties need to be enthusiastic about whatever acts they were going to do. Girls challenged the ideas of girls/women as passive pretty figures waiting to be asked out.

Same when we looked at mental health. Lots were concerned about hypermasculinity and the impact on boys' mental health.

Whilst the 18-24 group at the moment seems to be all pink brain blue brain, the 13-16 year olds I've heard seem like they've had enough of it all.

Jesus the post linked in that article from a transwomen describing her neovagina is desperately sad IMO.

Raises some good points too, e.g. about people being keen to please yhe "gatekeepers" and not knowing what they're getting into.

thequeerness.com/2016/08/01/other-lands/

'Proud Father, Lucky Husband' it says on Phil Bunce's twitter... you can't be that and also a female champion.. these two things are incompatible.

Thanks Ereshkigal - I'm really not up to speed with the trans jargon!

Only available to those who completely pass!

Pretending to be the opposite sex without telling anyone you aren't.

Anyone knows what "being stealth" means?

That's how batshit things are over there. Don't want that here thanks!

Honestly, just where is the self respect

She said she became concerned after a man who said he needed to wear diapers due to a disability complained to her office. Over the years she said the student threatened to file Human Rights Complaints if his special needs were not considered, including his desire to be handled by female staff only.

In the document she said he presented himself to female staff at different campuses — in several cases asking them to change his soiled diapers. Eventually he came to Roth complaining of discrimination.

Just wait til the Adult Babies start coming out of the woodwork

Like this one in Canada www.cbc.ca/amp/1.4400306

OK great so of course the gender critical colleagues at Pips’ company will all get exactly the same opportunities to network with, sorry ‘reverse mentor’, the company board, in order to further equality and break down gender barriers and all that good stuff, won’t they?

As an aside, I love Miranda yardley

She is going for it on twitter - all that stuff we say about why aren't the transsexuals speaking up - she bloody is - frankly, I hope she's keeping an eye on herself because she's going to burn herself out.

And I just realised that I said she and her an awful lot just then - and it's because Miranda doesn't require it, doesn't force me, so somehow it seems fine to use female pronouns.

When I was young, I heard of people like Germaine Greer, and I thought they were over the top, I thought it wasn't that bad, like so many of us, I thought we were equal. Then I worked for 10 years, then I had kids, and finally, then, I realised that I was careful not to mention my relationship, my kids, when I interviewed for jobs, I prepared answers in case people asked, I made sure I had a casual joke prepared, and DP just didn't. It didn't even occur to him to think like that. That I was subtly held back because my male CEO didn't want to be alone with me on a sales trip.
That I was where the buck stopped with the kids, that even my parents made assumptions (I have had so many sharp remarks for my father around me going out to work and having a nanny/childminder - WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT HE DID, although my mum was the person looking after us, from 6am to 8-10pm while he was out of the house).

I understand. I really do. I was there, I thought we'd made it.. then I realised that we really hadn't.

I think that those of us who are older have met more people, especially the perverse kind of men who will see an opportunity to claim to be female just to gain access to female only safe spaces.
Younger TRAs just seem to think they don’t exist because they’ve not had the world experience yet.
Just like people were shocked at the whole thing with the Presidents Club. I can’t believe that so many people thought this kind of behaviour had all gone away.

I was gender critical to a degree when I was young. Whilst at uni I read a fair bit of 2nd Wave feminism and found myself in agreement...but I still felt that being from a different era with my life ahead of me things would somehow be different. I would recognise the misogyny, I would avoid the pitfalls and the traps.

Nope!

But lots of younger women are gender critical though. I don't think you can assume that all feminists are over 40!
Having said that it is very true that, for women, having children pulls sexism sharply into focus, whatever age that happens.
And yes, perhaps older women are more experienced with the full spectrum of male entitlement. I certainly feel jaded!

Now I am a middle aged woman I realise that life has dealt me exactly the same deal despite how 'woke' and 'different' I thought I was back in the 90s.

I was the same ... then I had a somewhat early rude awakening when I went to university where I got to hear stuff like 'it's really not that hard, young man - even the girl finished it and she's actually got the answer right!'

On the upside: most women I know didn't last more than a year in their post-graduation jobs before realising that, yes, the world is kind of a misogynistic place still!

It's no different to how I saw my mother and other older women when I was a young woman.

Now I am a middle aged woman I realise that life has dealt me exactly the same deal despite how 'woke' and 'different' I thought I was back in the 90s.

I agree Simon

And I think there's another factor. Young women look at older ones and see clearly that patriarchy, on balance, has given us a spanking. Rather than believe that we are their future, they'd rather believe that we did it wrong and that their way (messing with gender and identifying out of the problems associated with femaleness) will save them from our fate.

We think they've been sold a pup. They think if they listen to us they'll end up like us.