Independent article on women's concerns re: proposed GRA reforms huge impact on women's rights

I always think Elliot Rodger would’ve been a TRA, had he been born a few years later.

At last a gender that matches my identity! From now on I identify as non-hierarchichal

That is a really good way to put it.

Gender is hierarchical not binary

That's nicely put

She's fab. Her comments are always thought provoking HandbagKrabby

gerbil that is a great quote.

"Harmless"

Yeah, what's the harm in terrifying a woman just because you can? Evil fucker.

I follow Lisa Muggeridge on Twitter, and she makes some excellent points.

Women subordinate, men dominate. Gender is hierarchical not binary. Men performing femininity at cost of women and kids rights and safety is a natural conclusion of this not a subversion of it. This is bollocks and women don't have to be nice about it.

It's terrifying. They try to diminish it by putting the onus on the woman by saying that 'of course I'm not going to hurt her' like the woman should be a mind reader and be complicit in their sick fantasies.

Also! Someone on Tumblr started calling a certain subsection of TRAs trancels, and she's not wrong. Same rage about the fact that women are allowed to say no to sex with them, same obsession with transgressing our boundaries, same twisted belief that women are "privileged".

Incels always seem to be about 30 seconds away from going full serial killer.

Someone posted this on Twitter earlier. It's not clear if the man in question is a TIM, but even if he isn't, it's still a fucking good reason to keep men out of female spaces.

So it's fake news then according to Jennifer James? An article mentioning #labourlosingwomen and Mumsnet that also points to a possible groundswell against self-ID isn't true? So many people responded to the 'Labour bouncing back' thread with doubts about Labour, but it's fake news. I don't get how this approach helps with raising mainstream awareness that this issue is important to so many women.

I also said on the other thread that the mainstream media is starting to pick up this issue. I can see self ID increasingly become a 'gotcha' political question in interviews, with politicians having to come off the fence or visibly squirm their way through their answers.

I'd guess there are a lot more gender critical mps than are willing to come out and say so just now. I'm hoping if we can get a debate going from the ground up that will give the whole issue enough legitimacy to start up a similar debate among policy-makers.

Thanks Tallulah, on another thread it was said that politicians are sitting on the fence on self ID at the moment. Jess Philips is not usually one to keep quiet on things she feels strongly about, hopefully she will be reading Mumsnet and realising she would have a lot of support if she were to speak out against self ID.

So far she has refused to commit herself. At one point she said she thought the Womens Place demands were 'reasonable' and called for 'more light, less heat' in the debate but then she got dogpiled and Labour went all hardline and she seems to have rowed back.

More recently transactivists were trying to bully her into saying 'transwomen are women' but she didn't respond.

Make of that what you will ...

Have just asked on another thread what Jess Phillip's view is on self ID . Has she actually said she is against it ? I do admire her so I am hoping she understands our concerns.

Someone tell LiketheNight to come over here and join Mumsnet. I think they'd enjoy it.

Yeah you're right - I think we can expect an Owen Jones pushback article soon in The Guardian (no comments allowed) along the lines of "Labour are right; transrights ARE women's rights and here's why" Expecting him to mention 'transphobic bile" in the first paragraph.

Agree it's great to start seeing the issue in the mainstream press. My only concern though is I hope it doesn't become a story about the Labour party. Another reason why I'm not comfortable with all the noise JJ has been making here...

Excellent to have more mainstream coverage, specifically referencing Mumsnet too, which shows the influence us contributing to these boards is having.
It makes me optimistic that if political parties see self-ID is really an issue that will cross a good deal of ordinary female voters, I think they will be more likely to shelve it.
Not all trans people favour self-ID either. If it appears too controversial and too difficult to legislate properly, with protections and case by case examination in the many areas which even people like Gaby Hinsliffe admit cause problems (as in sex offenders in women's prisons) then it's very encouraging.
I thought the comments looked pretty positive. Interesting one from a transwoman asking to be left out of lobbying for self-ID on their behalf. Like the one too about "piss-off women at your peril"
One about the "alt-left" eating itself too Underlines even more how important it is to show this issue is concerning women across the board, regardless of political allegiance and it's not all just an identity politics fight-fest.