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Warning, possibly upsetting, child sex abuse.

33 replies

treaclesoda · 15/02/2018 08:18

I have been following the news on Barry Burnell and obviously I am pleased, as any normal person is, that he has been convicted of these awful crimes.

But it got me thinking about something. His victims were male. And I have not yet seen an article or a discussion on the internet accusing them of lying, or falsely accusing him, or jumping on the bandwagon.

Whereas when the news about eg Jimmy Saville came to light and loads of women came forward to say he had abused them when they were young teenagers, I saw an awful lot of comments online etc about how a lot of them were fantasists who wanted attention.

Is abusing boys more shocking than abusing girls? More horrific?

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FellOutOfBed2wice · 15/02/2018 08:46

I totally hear this. I was in an abudive sexual relationship with my male teacher from the age of 14 (and even more shockingly he’s still teaching due to it being hard to prove and historic but that’s another thread altogether!) but even people who should have been on my side have made ill informed and misogynistic, victim blaming comments like “Well you did dress very provocatively”/“You were very developed for your age”/“You did have a school girl crush on him!”

Fairly sure if my husband had been through the same experience no one who say the same kinds of things.

TheCopyist · 15/02/2018 08:45

Is abusing boys more shocking than abusing girls? More horrific?

Not once they get to adolescence and they're abused by women. Then the prevailing narrative is that they're 'lucky buggers'

TallulahWaitingInTheRain · 15/02/2018 08:39

Yes. I don't know that people think abuse of boys is worse but they definitely think they are more reliable witnesses.

Dismissing abused girls and women as hysterical fantasists has been going on since at least Freud.

QueenLaBeefah · 15/02/2018 08:37

I hadn't spotted this either but you are right.

StealthPolarBear · 15/02/2018 08:32

I hadn't spotted that. Really good point.

CapnHaddock · 15/02/2018 08:29

Because girls and women are liars and slags and asking for it and temptresses and gold diggers and because boys and men aren't.

Misogyny and the patriarchy basically

WS12 · 15/02/2018 08:29

Yes I totally see what you mean - it's very hard to explain, but there is something intrinsically ingrained in society to value the world and testimony of women less than that of men.

SuperLoudPoppingAction · 15/02/2018 08:24

It's always dreadful when a child is abused. Children of one sex don't come into the world more resilient than the other or more worthy of abuse.

I think some people act as though that were the case though.
Even when a girl is very young people look for the same kinds of get out clauses and ways to victim blame that they would for an adult woman.

Basically anything that puts them in the 'seductive' box. Was a 4 year old wearing a short dress? That kind of thing. Did an 8 year old talk to him alone?
Plus project that need to victim blame onto the parents of the victim.
She was a single mum who should have vetted her boyfriend better.
When it is clear that a groomer puts on an incredibly good act.

Anything other than laying blame at the feet of the perpetrator.

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