Jordan Peterson explaining how 'identity' isn't something you can impose on others...its a negotiated position

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mooncuplanding · 15/02/2018 00:37

Love him or hate him, this is great at articulating the pysc issues around the trans agenda

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mooncuplanding · 15/02/2018 12:25

steelypip

If you've not come across him before, be warned, you may lose hours of your life. The podcast with Sam Harris is so challenging, as is the ones with joe rogan.

All I can say is 100 hours later that I've been challenged.

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SteelyPip · 15/02/2018 12:05

It's a massive risk factor if a person cannot see other people as anything other than validation mechanisms

I'm adding that to my list of counters I will use at the next governors meeting.

LangCleg · 15/02/2018 11:56

There will always be a gap between the way your perceive yourself and the way others perceive you. (And obviously, a six foot bloke in a dress has a bigger gap than most).

Despite the best efforts of fools in power across the globe, you can't legislate for perception.

The people who cannot understand this, as we see with the TRAs, are the people who pose a risk to others. It's a massive risk factor if a person cannot see other people as anything other than validation mechanisms.

SteelyPip · 15/02/2018 11:36

Thanks for the link to that. I've just sat and watched a few of his videos and what a breath of fresh air. The one thing which is resonating with me is his explosion of the principle that everyone deserves respect. I hadn't really thought much about that before, but he's right in that people do NOT deserve respect unconditionally, it's something you earn and that's conferred upon you in response to your positive actions. I also liked the phrase "narcissistic power-grabbing" to describe the type of person who demands that their subjective position be respected and legislated for, when it's divorced from biological fact and material reality.

I'm probably not expressing myself very well, so just watch the vids and see for yourself.

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mooncuplanding · 15/02/2018 09:45

😂😂
And really pertinent around the construct of what identity actually is. That is, it's not something you get to fully decide, there are lots of influences and you can't just impose an identity on others, which is exactly what trans people often do, no negotiation, and hence our anger and reluctance to accept

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BlindYeo · 15/02/2018 01:22

I enjoyed this.

"The idea that your identity is a subjective whim...it's the philosophy of a poorly socialised two year old."

It is, isn't it? It's like when my toddlers used to hide their face behind their hands and I wasn't supposed to be able to see them anymore.

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