Can you be a feminist and be completely accepting of transgender individuals?

f you have a transgender women (who people believe is female) as they have had hormone treatment, etc. aren't they just as vulnerable to issues that women face in today's society?

Nope. They will have been socialised as men, so will not face the special difficulties reserved for those of us socialised to be kind, be nice, don't make too much noise, don't take up too much space.

"Transgender identity politics are about men weaponizing the suffering of transsexual people in order to destroy women's boundaries and undermine basic feminist analysis"

@FightLWSexism thenewbacklash.blogspot.com/

I find it more concerning that there are feminists out there who believe there is such thing as a female brain and that you can have a female brain in a male body. But to each their own.

aren't they just as vulnerable to issues that women face in today's society?

What, like period poverty, discrimination related to pregnancy, loss of earnings relating to taking on the bulk of childcare, burden of taking on the bulk of elderly care, female socialisation, underfunding of female health conditions and so forth?

No. Trans identified men have their own struggle, but it's different to women's struggle in most ways.

Exactly isawahotonce. Someone earlier said "the majority of feminists are anti-trans agenda" here on the thread, and it's just not true.

The majority of decent feminists support transgender people. However, this forum is dominated by TERFs of significant prejudiced who pretend they speak for all women and all feminists. It's delusional and misrepresentation.

It seems to be the one place on the internet that transphobic radfems have colonised (a few years ago mumsnet was nowhere near this prejudiced).

The majority of feminists support all of our sisters. Those that don't are a very specific breed of "feminist".

Isa....feminists believe in equal rights for women but Trans Identifying MALES are not and never will be women. (The clue is in the term males, as you seem to be hard of thinking).

I think the majority of feminists support trans activism.

You don't find that here because the majority of feminists have given birth and aren't experienced sexism as children, teenagers, adults, mothers.

Not going to buy the crap spouted by middle aged men or teen boys in lipstick.

I accept Transsexuals and transgender folk, it's the fecking activists that are screeching about being women that get my pip. They call folk like Miranda Yardley Truscum, dontcha know. They are closing down reasonable discussion on both sides and twats like our UK politicians and media bods are actually giving them air time.

you can't be a feminist and NOT be accepting of transgender people - to be a feminist is to believe in equal rights for all women, regardless of the bodies they were born into :)

Depends what "completely accepting" means. If it means agreeing to anything any given trans person says, definitely not. If it means believing that some penises are female, then no, because you've just thrown class analysis out the window and no longer have a clear way to define what "woman" or "girl" means.

If otoh it just means that you, personally, want to be warm and friendly to the trans people who you encounter and are willing to call them by whatever name they give you etc then sure, why not?

Don't treat it like a religious belief that you're determined to impose on others, basically. Let other women draw their own boundaries and don't try to bully them into adopting the ones that make your trans friends happy.

What we are saying is that there is a proportion of men who do want to hurt women and self-id makes this easier for them. It actually doesn't matter whether they are 'really' trans or not as under self id anyone who says they are trans is trans.

Lots of trans people are bothered by this prospect for the same reasons that women are.

I feel like Mumsnet thinks all transgender (I've actually seen people say this) - transgender females are men wanting to hurt real women

No you havent seen this

I am absolutely happy to say that one or two posters may have said this, but i have personally never seen anyone that says all

At all

Ever

This is really not fair

I feel like Mumsnet thinks all transgender (I've actually seen people say this) - transgender females are men wanting to hurt real women

I would hope no one says that, because no one I know thinks that. Do please feel free to report posts like this because they aren't true. What does and will happen is that men will say they are trans in order to harm women and trans women, and this is worrisome both for women and for trans women, wouldn't you agree?

But I definitely feel like people on here would.

Well quite. He's not a woman. He's a man in a dress.

MagicSweets
What is so terrible about having a third gender inclusive space for trans people and anyone who wants to join them, and preserving women's rights and spaces?

Do you tell BAME people they have to include white people in their activism?

Funnily enough I've never been abused by a woman. Plenty or men and this new wave of 'transgender' people have though. It's almost hysterical hearing a young man, who has just popped a dress and some lippy on, tell me that I just don't understand what he has gone through (i.e. nothing, no surgery, no mental illness, nada) and how I need to 'move over and die'.

And peaked again. TruScum. Hysterical indeed, but the irony and how deeply insensitive and insulting he was being won't have penetrated his narcissism one bit.

MagicSweets Please explain what you mean by 'against trans people' and 'accept trans people'.

I have transgender friends. I do not believe they are actually women. That does not mean I wish them harm.

There is no way to let men self ID as women and keep predatory men out of womens spaces.
Some women cannot share women only spaces and services with biological men.
I support the third gender neutral space option.

What about that is offensive to you?

I have a couple of normal ordinary transwomen in my circle of acquaintances- former colleagues, friend of a friend kind of thing. My issues with them are issues you’d have with any acquaintance - things you enjoy about knowing a person, things you brush over. Normal friendship.

But I am very angry about the misogynistic transACTIVISTS - by which I include activists who aren’t trans, but act as bully boys (it’s usually boys) against women. The Owen Joneses of this world. The ones who chant the bollocks stuff like “Transwomen are women #NoDebate”

I am as accepting of trans women as I am of anyone else. Until someone behaves badly to me, than I accept them. I will use their preferred pronouns, and avoid talking about subjects that make them uncomfortable.

I will not believe they are biologically a woman, or accept them in the place of a woman, or in a place set aside for vulnerable women to feel safe.