Should the T be in LGBT?

No. LGB was always truly about wanting to be left alone to do their thing, which harms no-one else. Their message for young LGB people was 'it gets better' - there was hope, a personal celebration of what they could be.

Then T (well, TAs) comes along and it's all threats and blackmail - give us what we want or your kids will kill themselves - it's a fundamentally abusive stance, that LGB just doesn't have - no hope, just demands and grief.

Cuckoo in the nest is the perfect description.

I’ve been saying this for a while.
Being T has nothing to do with sexual orientation. LGB is specifically about sexual orientation. They don’t belong together at all.

No it shouldn't and the sooner it is dropped the sooner all this misogynist, homophobic bullshit will stop being accepted as 'progressive'

No. I am a bisexual woman, I am “LGB” because of my sexuality. T is not a sexuality. I have no idea why it’s there.

No.

Read your own link dancingbear. There is only an offence if there is intent to cause distress and specific guarantees of freedom of expression.

No it isn't. Hate crimes are crimes that are aggravated by mistreatment of a protected group - e.g. a mugging when the victim is chosen because of race.

This is simply incorrect: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech#United_Kingdom

FFS. Of course debate the issue. Seeking to discredit the trans community by labelling them as perverts and (akin to) paedophiles is something entirely different.

No it shouldn't, and neither should the Q=queer in my opinion, especially as it seems 'trans' and 'queer' can mean whatever the person using them wants them to (and often both seem to mean straight males wanting to be special and/or intrude into female/lesbian spaces).

No it shouldn't but it's also become apparent within this debate (and I'm sure lesbians have known this for ever) that most of the G are not willing to see the damage being done to the L or just don't care.

It might be more productive for the L to liberate itself into a separatist movement from the rest of the alphabet.

Easier said than done I realise!

This is hate speech, you know.

No it isn't. Hate crimes are crimes that are aggravated by mistreatment of a protected group - e.g. a mugging when the victim is chosen because of race. There is still a strong presumption in favour of free speech in this country and people are free to express views that others consider sexist/racist/transphobic, as long as it is not with the intention of inciting a crime.

We need a debate, not to shut down other people if we disagree with them.

No, should be just LGB.........

The gay community fell for it once they adopted, rather than the more radical 'gay liberation' line, the 'I was born this way (and can't help it)' line. Assuaged fears as to us converting straight folks, and opened the way for TRAs to step in with the 'I was born with a ladybrain, I can't help it!' line.

Whereas a braver statement would have been -- whether I was born like this or not, what's wrong with being gay or lesbian? If it were a choice, I would choose the same again! Now saying gays possibly weren't born like this is seen as homophobic. As regards non-dysphoric trans, a braver statement (and the sort of thing that Izzard used to say) would be no, I'm not a woman, I don't have a ladybrain, I'm just a man who likes wearing/doing this stuff, and what's wrong with that?

Gay biological essentialism doesn't really harm that many people, whereas the biological essentialism that TRAs advocate does, being sexist and homophobic at the same time.

No. I don't think lesbians should be forced to share their spaces and their movement with a group of people whose ideology references the cotton ceiling and the belief that if lesbians don't want to be labelled transphobic, they must accept penis.

I also don't want to be told that I'm transphobic for being bisexual rather than pansexual. Bi erasure is bad enough without transactivists trying to tell us that our sexuality is wrong.

No. No. No. And no.

I am L. (Well, formerly B and now L ). I would never in a zillion years say it to any of my younger LGBTQQ++++XYZLMNOP friends, but the inclusion of T has never say comfortably with me.

Gay people fought for years and years to make the point that there is nothing wrong with us. That is profoundly different from people who think that things are so wrong, they are literally trapped in the wrong body.

But I can't say that.

Shouldn't be there in my opinion.
I used to think it should but after peak trans i'm not convinced.

I have every support for people who wish to transition and are normal folk. One of my friends has started transitioning to being a transwoman. She is bloody mortified at the way these transtrenders treat women and thinks transactivism is misogynistic and the rhetoric is damaging to lesbians. Like my friend, I'll support adults wish to transition but won't accept any crap about transwomen and women being thr same and women being silenced

LGBA - sexuality
TQ - gender stance
They are not comparable.

Paedophilia is a sexual stance, too. Should it therefore be LGBTP?

Comparing transgender people to paedophiles isn't particularly cool either.

Yes it should be there to recognise that this is a sexual issue. it's not about being a woman or man - it is a sexual stance

This is transphobic.

Transgenderism is a homophobic ideology that delegitimises sexual orientation.

So is this.

This is hate speech, you know.

I thought that years ago too. The T isn’t sexuality related. But it’s LGBTQIA+ now and I see at least LGBT+ on most things.

Trans issues seem like different issues to LGB issues other than the general- " it's nice to be respectful of people". Which you can apply to most campaigning.
In the same way as Trans issues don't really reflect women's concerns.
Gender Dysphoria is very very rare. Feeling that you don't quite fit other people's expectations of your gender is less rare but it is not the same thing.
It worries me that there is a tendency to make it the same thing and to trample over others while you do it.