Should the T be in LGBT?

LGB became LGBT through a feeling of kinship and empathy.
Unknowingly this opened the door to a load of straight blokes, heterosexuals in lipstick, who unsurprisingly made it all about them. Taking over, becoming aggressive, closing down lesbian groups who strangely didn't want straight blokes coming in, removing the word "gay" from Gay Pride, banning drag queens from Gay Pride, accusing lesbians of bigotry for not wanting to sleep with them, and endless list of homophobic aggressions, all the while reverse-victiming and other manipulative tactics.

Hardly a support network for homosexuals anymore is it.

Of all the information you can have about someone, the single best predictor of whether or not they are a threat is whether or not they have a penis.

This is an observation, not an opinion. But it's an observation that every woman knows in her bones.

I agree it shouldn't and was just having this conversation. Weird I think.

They just want to separate them from valuable support networks and marginalise them within their own communities

What valuable support networks do people want them separated from? Is it by any chance women's sex segregated services like refuges?

The behavior of transgender advocates is strikingly similar to that of abusers. DARVO
Deny, Accuse, Reverse Victim and Offender.

wandersail"But this hypothetical situation is such a bad faith example. For starters you are saying that you would be in no danger from going home with a stranger unless they had a penis, which is manifestly untrue."

Are you suggesting women are as dangerous to be around as men, because that is manifestly untrue!

"Also, if you decided to go home with someone who you considered to be a woman, how would it matter if it was Self ID or not?" It would matter to a lesbian if they were male. I'm not a lesbian but I do know what lesbian means!

"Self ID is just a buzzword to refer to the streamlining of the GRC procedure." No it is not. You really don't seem to understand what self-id is for 'gender'.

The T was added to assist and protect gay males because homosexuality was a crime prior to 1967 in the UK and different in different states in the US until 2015.

Quite aside from how much of the trans narrative erases homosexuality totally, the abuse lesbians suffer from 'transgender' people and this 'transing kids' thing being the modern day gay eugenics...T is nothing at all to do with sexuality. So not sure why it was ever added in the first place. It makes no sense at all.

The facts have a distinct reality based bias against you, wandersail.

With respect to transition. Self ID is just a buzzword to refer to the streamlining of the GRC procedure removal of all women's protected spaces, rights and all sex based discrimination laws

There's no arguing with that paranoia. Laters, I guess.

What's good manners? Being upfront that you're a transwomen? But again, if they feel that they're really woman, they wouldn't think to distinguish?

8th rule of misogyny: Men are whatever men say they are and women are whatever men say they are.

I suppose it is. I'm genuinely not being goady but now I think about it, of all the transwomen I know of -who have took over all the local lesbian groups-- not one really 'passes'.

With respect to transition. Self ID is just a buzzword to refer to the streamlining of the GRC procedure removal of all women's protected spaces, rights and all sex based discrimination laws
Fixed that for you

Well it's just good manners isn't it really.

pinkpanther that is a bit hypothetical because you can usually tell when someone has a Penis by their face and body shape. And voice.

The point is, not everyone agrees that transwomen are women, so not everyone agrees that a transwomen can be a lesbian, but you don't really want to piss off a massive straight bloke in a lesbian only space by saying anything. You'd be VERY naive to think that won't end badly.

Aren't really a proper woman I mean

It's not because of the fact they have penis (although statistics certainly evidence how violence is much more common from biological males). It's because you would be -in their eyes- massively offending them by suggesting you don't accept them as a woman. And on the second point, you're contradicting yourself. If transwomen see themselves as 100% genuine women then why would they be actively saying "I'm a transwoman"? Unless they recognise they aren't really.

Well that's it isn't it. It is a shared reality, if you tell me you are gay and I then know that you told me you are gay. Then you have self identified as being gay. Simple as that really.

With respect to transition. Self ID is just a buzzword to refer to the streamlining of the GRC procedure.

I’m a widow and have absolutely no interest or wish to be with another man. I will go to my grave not wanting to be with another man. Does that make me a closet lesbian? Well it makes as much sense as a man calling himself one, because he wants a lesbian to play with his ‘lady dick’. Actually if probably makes more sense because at least I’m a woman.

This is what I don't get. You are literally having these discussions constantly here and in national newspapers. I honestly don't understand what you want.

Are you kidding? ? Mumsnet.com is the ONLY site where you can say anything gender critical or even mildly critical of the ideology without being deleted or banned!

Twitter is banning feminists by the day. A user who ONLY EVER posted screens shots of abuse that trans activists gave out was banned.

Newspaper comments, anything gender critical is erased.

Gender critical Facebook pages are taken down while pages doxxing "terfs" and threatening feminists remain.

MPs are terrified to debate for fear of being accused of "transphobia" because every fucking thing is "transphobic" if it's not "Transwomen are women" repeated over and over and over.

What do we want?? Stop telling us to STFU and #no debate we are rising and we will be heared. Women are uniting on this issue and we will not be oppressed.

But this hypothetical situation is such a bad faith example. For starters you are saying that you would be in no danger from going home with a stranger unless they had a penis, which is manifestly untrue. Also, if you decided to go home with someone who you considered to be a woman, how would it matter if it was Self ID or not? How would the organisers know? Realistically though, in my opinion she should have disclosed she was trans, especially pre op before you went home. Then you obviously could have declined.