Spectator article: Don't fall for it people

Although there are people like Caroline Flint in the Labour party

I'm sick of them all treating being female as some kind of essence.

It's not an essence you can spray or apply yourself, as gender ID-ers seem to be insisting. And neither is it an essence that is inherent and which forces women to change nappies, as the Rees Moggs would argue.

It's biology.

Comrades to me is 1984, would rather not go there!

So come Labour - admit your are in the wrong! Apologise to the female sex, let us have our rights back, stand up and say that our votes counts, get rid of the crazies who do not like women and .......... maybe ........ just maybe ....... munsnet will love you again. Because at the moment you have pissed a huge amount of the population off ....

Yes you've got to ask how bad must Corbyn's stance on women's rights be when it risks making a conservative Christian look more liberal, haven't you?

Option A - Prime Minister JC who proposes legislation that ignores basic biology, thus simultaneously erasing all rights and protections for women AND making existing and future sex inequality unmeasurable and therefore untackalable

Option B Prime Minister JM who thinks this is crazy and it is rumoured is prepared to speak up against it. Personally does not believe in abortion but has committed not to impose his view on voters.

Nice one Corbyn.

The amusing thing is that Jacob Rees Mogg is the most likely politician to speak out about self ID. He is also in with a shout of Tory leader.......

Btw on the issue of this:

"Any message written on a spoilt ballot must be read aloud at the count."

The messages aren't read out to the room at large, but are shown and read aloud in a loose 'huddle' by the Returning Officer or other senior Election Officer to all the candidates and their agents. Agreement is sought as to whether these ballot papers should be discarded or not. So yes, they can make their mark most certainly, especially if the election result is close.

I'm a lifelong Labour voter, from a long line of Union organisers and Labour Party members.
I'm done.
I want All Woman Shortlists for WOMEN. NOT men in frocks, and NOT men in frocks with a GRC. Sorry, but that's how it should be.
I don't know who this Jennifer person is, but she can rest assured that I will NEVER vote Labour as long as Jeremy Corbyn and his pack of anti Semitic, woman hating, slogan spewing robots are in charge.
I'm stealing the idea of spoiling my ballot with a big pink lipstick dick.
And YY this is a cross party issue! I will applaud ANY MP, from ANY party who publicly opposes the self ID nonsense.

Bye Labour.

Sacrifice women's rights for a Labour victory? Get to fuck

As well as the bullying and anti-semitism.

Why would anyone want to vote for a party like that?

@CurriedNoodle would you mind posting or sending me the text of your email? I imagine it's really excellent and worth adapting to my constituency. Thank you.

Those at the sharp end will draw comfort from the knowledge they are part of a larger issue

I think it means that we will joyfully and willingly agree to be sacrificed, happy and fulfilled that we are doing so for a nobler cause, the bigger picture, the really important issues.

Nope. Not me.

Sacrifice women's rights for a Labour victory? Get to fuck.

How can we analyse the impact of important policies such as austerity measures if we can't name how it affects different groups of people? Eg it would be impossible to produce this sort of analysis if everyone can self-ID

Is that a sacrifice we should make?

But maybe everyone isn't able to make sacrifices

Besides my first born (and possibly my wheelchair) there is nothing I wouldn't sacrifice to protect women's rights.

I think Labour is going to have a cold shock when they realise exactly how many women there are that feel the same.

*won over generations after centuries of oppression.

Make drew the short straw and ended with the MN slot.

It’s a sacrifice to the cause.

makeourfuture - you're asking us to sacrifice women's rights ffs - rights that have been fought for and won over generations of oppression.

Get to fuck. I will vote for no party that throws women's rights away.

What sacrifices are you making make?

It's funny. Humour.

But maybe everyone isn't able to make sacrifices.

Oh and I got a (very quick!) reply from my mp, gender politics is apparently complicated but they will "consider my thoughts" while they fight their various other crusades. Tbh they sounded utterly downtrodden about the whole thing

I too will gladly sit on the floor while my children retain their gonads.

Aye. I spotted the comrades and instantly thought of militant movements. Not a great way to start any effort to persuade anyone not aligned with your, strange, worldview.

Just goes to show you shouldn’t put people on a pedestal.

JJ has done fabulous work with the fundraiser, and I think AWS in the Labour party is a really sensible place to take a stand. I don’t agree with her politics, but that’s ok - people are allowed to agree on some issues and not others and when it’s something as serious as this of course it’s going to have cross-party support.

However, it also amuses me slightly that she seems to have fallen into the trap of assuming mumsetters are homogeneous and will do/think as we’re told. Tends to result in people getting squashed quite quickly - please don’t take it personally Jen, I for one am happy to be behind your campaign even if you are a C*rbynista .

Lol at Curried 's post.

Women give up your rights - or the Tories will steal your wheelchairs!

comrades makes me think of Wolfie Smith